Drunks and guns just dont mix.

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Just because you and your friend can't handle your liquor and firearms at the same time, doesn't mean the rest of us can't

Hey I can handle my drinks just fine, Its a matter of knowing limits, my limit is 2. and thats 2 pints or 2 cans/bottles/glasses or 2 shots. But that is it for driving and/or guns. Like I said I learned the hard way about 12 years ago.

And FWIW, I've had Absinthe while CCWing
Where can I ask did you find that? Always wanted to try it.
 
You got a problem - personal, that is - with drinking and carrying, Beagle, don't do it.

It's none of your business what other folks do as long as they're doing you no harm. Yes?

Did you consider the implications concerning rx drugs and CCW?

If not, why?

Biker
 
So I'm to forfeit my right to self-defense because I'd like a beer with my steak?

At least GA (once Sonny signs it) no longer suspends my right to self-defense just because someone else might be enjoying a beer while I'm enjoying a steak.

Seems some just can't see the difference between carry vs. wielding if a little C2H5OH is in the vicinity.
Things become a bit murky at that point. Bear in mind, HB89 (if Sonny signs it) will allow us to carry in a place that serves booze, but does not allow us to drink while doing so.

If the worst happens, and you have to use your sidearm, there's a good chance the jury will be informed that you had alcohol in your system. Opposing legal counsel will pounce on that. At the least, you'd be charged with carrying while drinking, and the question will arise about how good your decision-making skills were at the time.

Alcohol in any quantity can affect the judgment. It's best to stay clear of firearms if drinking at all. If anything, the OP is a good example of this.
 
If you can be responsible while having taken a drink or too, or however many, with a great degree of certainty, fine by me. Being drunk, the state of being raised by the title of this thread, to a large degree is defined by being irresponsible.
 
The difficulty with such threads is that some people differentiate polite drinking from drunkenness, while some don't ... and some people differentiate carry from handling, while some don't.

Hence, this thread will degenerate into a polarized "I just want a glass of fine wine with my Italian dinner out, and am CCWing so I don't get mugged in the parking lot" vs. "my drunk-out-of-his-gourd friend was screwing around with the 1911 I left on the passenger seat he was sitting in" rhetorical shoutfest.
 
my cousin shot a hole through my ceiling with my HD shotgun full of buckshot, not 3 minutes after me telling him to leave my glock alone and him replying " i'm responsible with guns, yo"- he was drunk.
hes an ******* though, i handle gun all the time while ive been drinking but dont usually carry if im having more than a couple.


where in va eric f. ? i live in va beach.... where do you shoot?
 
Even drinking the night before a shoot, there is still alchohol in a persons system. Depending on how much the person drank, he would still be drunk.

WRONG... thujone in my system too. :evil:

I think some of you really need a reality check. Having ONE drink does not a drunkard make. With that mentality, all of you should skip using Listerine, as it may result in you being "drunk".

As for me, I'm carrying... you never know when that damn green fairy might pop up and try to accost me!

Where can I ask did you find that? Always wanted to try it.

Most liquor stores carry it now. The brand to look for is Lucid. It's ~$70 a bottle. It tastes like black liquorice.
 
Everyone knows it you pour beer on a gun it comes to life and starts to kill. Lets ban all fiearms and alcohoil on top of that!!!!
 
It sounds like some in this thread are only acquainted with the style of drinking where it starts when the cork is pulled and only ends when the bottle is empty, or the cops are called, or the drinker passes out.

They seem to be unfamiliar with the style of drinking where you have a beer or two with a nice dinner, or a glass of wine. One drink does not equal "drunk", it hardly qualifies as "drinking" in the sense used above. Depending on size and tolerance, TWO drinks usually does not equal "drunk", especially if we are talking about with a meal and over a period of a couple hours.

I don't "handle" firearms of any kind unnecessarily when I have had a drink or two. But would I feel unable to defend myself in my own home with a loaded gun just because I'd had a drink or two with dinner (or even 3 or 4)? "Sorry, honey, I just don't think I'm sober enough to defend you against that rapist that just broke in, good luck with that though" just doesn't cut it. No, I don't drink until I'm seeing double and staggering around and slurring. But am I going to become a teetotaler just because no place is 100% safe 100% of the time and I need to be able to use a firearm? No.

Man, there are SOME reasonable compromises in life! Choose yours, and let others choose theirs!
 
The Gospel According To St. John (Wayne)

QUOTE: " Hey, now you know that "Who hit John?" don't go W/ guns right?"

John Wayne The Shootist.
The Duke said it. I believe it. That settles it.
 
bruss01 said:
Man, there are SOME reasonable compromises in life! Choose yours, and let others choose theirs!

Yes, you are 100% correct. But then, you sound like a guy who has no desire to hurt anyone or intrude upon their liberties.

As you know, I dislike townies. And for a good reason. They cannot stop drinking. They cannot stop smoking. They cannot stop cheating. And when you find folks who dislike "bar people" it's because there are simply people who believe the whole world is their toilet. I mean, why do you find cigarette butts in The Badlands National Park?

Clearly, as many have said, there is "a line." The issue to this entire debate is the action of crossing that line. In other words, when does a responsible man have a drink with dinner, and when does man lose control of his car and kill somebody.

Yikes, and this forum centers on firearms!

In my home, I have two bottles of tequila. Bought one of them the night of the Super Bowl. There is an extreme difference between "needing" and "wanting." One bottle has three shots missing, the other is unopened. I use this simply as an example.

But ask yourself, in your circle of friends and associates, can you name a guy who would have already consumed both bottles simply because they were there?

That is the my concern. That's the problem with townies who appear to be adults--but have the minds of children.

Your beverage with your dinner has never been my concern. You have respect for "the line."
 
Eric F,

Welll...thank God your friend is o.k.. Now would be a good time to have a heart-to-heart talk with him: let him know what he did and how concerned you are that he did it. Then...work up a plan for him as to how to not handle firearms when he's drunk (as a minimum...better that he not get drunk, of course).

Good luck.

NASCAR
 
I would bet that the friend would claim that he "could handle it" and knew his limits so drinking and guns were no problem for him.
A story I have heard and read many times. It is strange how everybody who drinks "Can handle it, and knows their limit."

Jerry
 
Sorry, ErikF.......
I find you to be totally at fault for not taking the guns home before stopping in for a "few". No matter what your intentions may have been, you were consuming alcoholic beverages with every intent on getting back into a vehicle with weapons in it. Think about it.
 
JerryM said:
"Can handle it, and knows their limit."

That's the reverse side of the coin--the tragedy.

Before my Mother got help she was drinking a one bottle of gin every day.

She claimed it was because her heart medication gave her "a funny taste."

Yup, six weeks to dry her out. Yup, my Dad was an enabler.
 
Sorry, ErikF.......
I find you to be totally at fault for not taking the guns home before stopping in for a "few". No matter what your intentions may have been...


Those are issues that should be addressed at the morgue...seriously, a friend with this type of "death wish" gun-handling mentality is a rarity...I've never seen anything quite like it and neither have most gun-owning folk. Instead, why don't we all get creative and try to figure out how insure that Eric's friend doesn't end up on a slab....o.k?

Please share your ideas.

NASCAR
 
NASCAR_MAN said:
how insure that Eric's friend doesn't end up on a slab

We can't, we're powerless.

If this friend, or any one of us, really has a problem with alcohol, they are the ones that must seek the help. You cannot reason with them, scare them, bribe them or even believe them. Every one of them is a jack liar, the of worst kind. They will lie to their loved ones.

Even after my Mom alienated and disappointed her entire family (and created a world of hate in which I have never mourned her enough to cry) my wife and I still noticed slurred speech in subsequent visits.

Was she sick, was she simply addled by age or was she bending her elbow again? She told me it was a disease. I told her she was a drunk.

If the bond between Mother and son can be eroded by alcohol, you have no chance whatsoever in simply being "a nice guy."
 
Alcohol + guns = fine... if you're not an idiot like your friend. Alcohol doesn't make people magically stupid, it just provides an excuse for them to act that way. Just because you and your friend can't handle your liquor and firearms at the same time, doesn't mean the rest of us can't. And FWIW, I've had Absinthe while CCWing. So take that tea-totalers. .



The laws of chemistry are kinda like the law of gravity.

It doesn't vary from one guy to the next.

Sure, your clumsy friend might be more acquainted with gravity, but he isn't any less affected by it than you are.
 
First thing that goes when drinking is judgement. I like a drink now and then but I put my guns away when I do. You want to drink and play with guns go ahead it's your decision but if you screw up it hurts all gun owners. It feeds those just looking for any reason to make gun owners look like people without common sense or solid judgement. Why anyone would put themselves in a position as described at the start of this thread is beyond me. Seems as if it just supports what I first said, judgement is the first thing that goes when drinking.
 
I am amazed that at a site such as this where 2A and RKBA is at the forefront there are so many people who are anti gun and anti RKBA. Funny, the last time I read that ammendment it did not mention any exceptions to who is afforded the right.

Common sense does tell us that a person who is falling down drunk ought to not handle firearms. It also tell us that a person such as this does not need to be recreationally shooting guns at that moment. But I do not believe for one minute that person is not afforded a right to self defense. Sometimes freedom is not free and having a drunken person with a firearm to me is part of the cost of freedom. Do I want to see someone shot because there is an impaired person wielding a firearm? No, and I do not believe the floors of bars will run red with blood should carry and consumption be allowed. But those same people do not concede a basic human right because they drink.

Again Biker seeme to be a shining light of reason. How about those on prescription drugs such as anti depressants? Are they not under a narcotic effect, how about if it is you on those anti depressants? Now how about if it is you who has had a few too many to drink but are about to have a knife shoved into your ribs?

A person either has a right to self defense or does not, there is not nor should there be a gray area.
 
A person either has a right to self defense or does not

As unpopular as it is you do not need a gun to defend your self, The fact that you drink until you are unconscious cripples your means to defend yourself on any level with or with out a gun. therefor their right to self desense is mute.
 
Also, how does the commonwealth of VA view that "holster rig" between the seats?
VA considers that form of carry in a vehicle as concealed carry. If you have the proper permit for concealed carry, they are fine with it. However, with no such permit, in order for the VA open carry freedom to apply, the firearm must be in plain view, either on the dashboard or on the seat beside the driver.

craig
 
I've got a bad vibe on this thread..

I've been drunk many a time, however.. I'm the only person I know who doesn't have a "I blame the alcohol" story.

No one I drink with has ever had a clue that I was fully capable of putting a hole in their bottle mid-flight to the trashcan either.
 
For the sake of argument, can the majority of us agree that having a drink or two over the course of an hour or two should not preclude one from being able to carry concealed? Or am I being unreasonable?

Personally, I always lock it up when I drink, but I seldom drink.
 
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