DSA FAL Voyager ?
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Panzerschwein
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I'd prefer being able to mount a carry handle for that original FAL look. I think the DSA guns are too pricey, I'd love one of their "standard" rifles with 21" barrel, but they go for north of $1600 new IF you can even find them. A quick look on Gun Broker, Bud's Gun Shop, and other sites reveal very, very few DSA guns for sale that are NIB.
These are all reasons why I decided to go with an $800 PTR-91 rifle when I was looking for a .308 battle rifle. It's been a great gun, very much the equal of an FAL in terms of overall capability and several hundred dollars cheaper than this new cast Voyager FAL, which is unproven. I too, have been able to find almost no info about this rifle online.
If you are like me and want a .308 semi auto military style rifle, take a hard look at the PTR Industries guns before plunking down twice the money on a DSA FAL. Here is my PTR-91 modified into original H&K G3 format:
These are all reasons why I decided to go with an $800 PTR-91 rifle when I was looking for a .308 battle rifle. It's been a great gun, very much the equal of an FAL in terms of overall capability and several hundred dollars cheaper than this new cast Voyager FAL, which is unproven. I too, have been able to find almost no info about this rifle online.
If you are like me and want a .308 semi auto military style rifle, take a hard look at the PTR Industries guns before plunking down twice the money on a DSA FAL. Here is my PTR-91 modified into original H&K G3 format:
Jackal
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^^Hey, I recognize that lower... 
C-grunt
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Do the PTR91s feed/extract steel cased ammo well? Id like a 308 battle rifle but 308 ammo prices are a turn off.
Yes.
They pretty much eat anything.
On the OP's question, I put about $100rds through a friends Voyager a couple months ago. Not exactly a long term test. It was reliable, and accurate enough. I shot it like 5" or so @100, prone off bags. I didn't really like the rear sight, and if I was going to drop $$ on an FAL I'd find one without a cast reciever.
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I'd prefer being able to mount a carry handle for that original FAL look. I think the DSA guns are too pricey, I'd love one of their "standard" rifles with 21" barrel, but they go for north of $1600 new IF you can even find them. A quick look on Gun Broker, Bud's Gun Shop, and other sites reveal very, very few DSA guns for sale that are NIB.
These are all reasons why I decided to go with an $800 PTR-91 rifle when I was looking for a .308 battle rifle. It's been a great gun, very much the equal of an FAL in terms of overall capability and several hundred dollars cheaper than this new cast Voyager FAL, which is unproven. I too, have been able to find almost no info about this rifle online.
If you are like me and want a .308 semi auto military style rifle, take a hard look at the PTR Industries guns before plunking down twice the money on a DSA FAL. Here is my PTR-91 modified into original H&K G3 format:
Thanks for the input. That looks awesome
What type of accuracy do you have with that?
Also, you appear to have done some upgrades to the basic rifle
I did some rough math, and can se how a $900 gun could become a $1400 gun.
Do you have an idea what each cost?
Did you go with the heavy buffer?
Did you get a trigger job?
Did you have the paddle release done? (cost?)
Did you get the larger cocking handle?
I also run a PTR as my General Purpose .308, although mine is less "classic" then Cooldill's. Mine is an 16" "Squad Carbine" But I can talk about your questions.
I get about 3-3.5 MOA (estimated) with cheap .308 or russian steel case. Easy to ring steel (24x24) out to about 600yds. With handloads and 168gr SMK's shot off bags, my rifle will print 10 shot 100yd groups at about 1.6-1.7" My PTR has a welded on rail, and I'm running magnified optics to get that accuraccy.
No, went with a side folding stock, but I wouldn't have gone Heavy Buffer if I kept the standard PTR stock, the normal buffer was fine for me. I went with an HK heavy buffer in my CETME, and didn't feel the mod was worth the trouble of modding the stock.
Have one on the CETME, not on the PTR. It's nice, but not required. A couple of thousand rounds and I figured out where it'll break.
Yep. Did it myself, so like $12 for paddle, bushing, pin, and shipping.
I get about 3-3.5 MOA (estimated) with cheap .308 or russian steel case. Easy to ring steel (24x24) out to about 600yds. With handloads and 168gr SMK's shot off bags, my rifle will print 10 shot 100yd groups at about 1.6-1.7" My PTR has a welded on rail, and I'm running magnified optics to get that accuraccy.
No, went with a side folding stock, but I wouldn't have gone Heavy Buffer if I kept the standard PTR stock, the normal buffer was fine for me. I went with an HK heavy buffer in my CETME, and didn't feel the mod was worth the trouble of modding the stock.
Have one on the CETME, not on the PTR. It's nice, but not required. A couple of thousand rounds and I figured out where it'll break.
Yep. Did it myself, so like $12 for paddle, bushing, pin, and shipping.
Nope. haven't ever felt the need.
Chuck R.
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I think the point Dean 1818 is getting at is Cooldill's comparison of a base price PTR $800 VS. a DSA SA58 AFTER he put money into his PTR. hence the edetailed questions concerning upgrades he's made.
Many simply prefer the ergonomics of the FAL and no upgraded lower, buffer etc. is going to change the ergonomics of the HK/PTR.
Plus there's the whole question concerning a specific FAL model, and the answer being a PTR. Owned both for a time, still have the FAL, but I don't make it a point to answer PTR/HK threads with FAL........
Chuck
Many simply prefer the ergonomics of the FAL and no upgraded lower, buffer etc. is going to change the ergonomics of the HK/PTR.
Plus there's the whole question concerning a specific FAL model, and the answer being a PTR. Owned both for a time, still have the FAL, but I don't make it a point to answer PTR/HK threads with FAL........
Chuck
I know Chuck, I was just answering where I could. More info is better then less. You'll notice, in my original post on this thread I answered the OP's FAL question.
Ace sidefolding adapter and hinge, with an M4 buffer tube, Magpul CTR stock and magpul cheek riser. I had a UBR on it for a while, but the CTR+riser works better with my optics.
I have an older picture, pre-paddle release and some other stuff. Let me dig around my photobucket account and see. Can't get you a current pic, because I tore it apart to think about paint/cerakote. Then I got distracted by an AR-10 project and a 1911 build.
I need to just put the PTR back together and go shooting.......
FWIW, I like FAL's too, and will have another one day. I'm just not a fan of the particular corners DSA cut to keep that one affordable.
ETA: found it
I sold my FAL before I bought the PTR, so I don't have a pic of the two together.
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Dude, for real? In the previous thread I was willing to give you much more of a pass on your comments. This time you are clearly being deliberately obtuse and deceptive in your comments. Lets go through your points:
Interesting you think your heavily modified PTR that didn't work right without additional work was not too expensive at $1500 or so but a FAL of roughly the same or less price is? Please explain how that works. Also why are you even talking about the other models this thread is about the $1K voyager.
So a gun that didn't work right has been great? That is an interesting perspective. I'd be pissed if I have a $1500 that I had to fix to get to work right. Yours wasn't actually several hundred dollars cheaper was it? It was actually several hundred more and then didn't work. Even if you only paid $800 that is not several hundred less than a $1k gun its a couple hundred less. How do you know its been the equal of an FAL? Do you have one? Have you shot one? What exactly have you done to compare the two? Did you have an FAL that didn't work right that you also had to fix?
I think it is funny that you are criticizing the cast receiver since it is pretty obvious that you didn't even know about them as of the last thread you were spouting of about FALs in. Am I wrong? Why do we care about your opinion since it is admittedly based entirely on internet searches?
How long do you think DSA cast receivers have been around? How many cast DSA receivers do you figure are out there?
What do you think about the FN cast receivers?
Have you ever seen a cast FAL receiver fail? Have you ever heard of one
Seriously why do you keep throwing out that figure? The $1k gun is not twice the cost of an $800 gun and your gun is not an $800 gun. If we are like you we will buy an $800 and then spend about $700 more trying to get it set up like it should be. Its like your doubling down on being deliberately disingenuous. What I cannot figure out it why?
We get it, you like your PTR, despite needing to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to modify it and then then have it not even work and need to fix it. That said this thread isn't about the PTR.
You have no meaningful experience with any FAL let alone the voyager so why even post in this thread? Why act like you have a basis of knowledge to compare the PTR to any other semi 308? You have had a PTR for maybe a month and now you somehow know it is better than everything else and can also talk about 308 guns you don't even have meaningful experience with? Be real.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9985942#post9985942
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=785922
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=785397
PTRs are solid guns. I own one. They have their strengths and weaknesses. However, blindly cheer leading for them and using misleading statements and talking about stuff you know nothing about is silly and its even more so when you do it in threads that having nothing to do with the PTR.
I promise I'm not trying to be a jerk but if you are going to spew misinformation, you are bound to get called on it.
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My FAL is built on a DSA receiver. It has never let me down in thousands of rounds when I did my part. Forgot to oil it one day before a match and it became a bolt action. Not the Rifles fault. Heck I managed to break my firing pin at some point and it continued to hum along just fine. By the time I discovered the break each side was polished smooth and shiny... And it would have kept on going for another few thousand rounds had I not changed it.
I have used that rifle in competition and have made hits on torso sized steel targets past 400y using only the irons from field positions. It shoots. Well.
DSA makes high quality FALs and parts. I'd not trade my FAL for a PTR or M1A ever.
I have used that rifle in competition and have made hits on torso sized steel targets past 400y using only the irons from field positions. It shoots. Well.
DSA makes high quality FALs and parts. I'd not trade my FAL for a PTR or M1A ever.
MachIVshooter
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Pretty much my sentiments. The FAL ties with the .308 AR for my preferred .308 platform, the M1A coming in second and the G3 pattern a distant 3rd, followed by the SCAR.
My PSA/Ares .308 AR has the best ergonomics of my .308 family, but I'd most likely choose the FAL if I had to go fight. I own a G3, and it sees very little range time these days. I bought it when I was 19 because I couldn't afford an AR-10 or FAL at the time. Now that I have those, there's little reason to take the G3 out; it falls short of the other two in every category, and it also destroys brass (they all eject violently, and the fluted chambers will render your brass somewhere between ugly and unusable).
Back to FAL's.
If you can afford the coin, something like this is an FAL you'll keep forever, and will last.
FWIW, I've mentioned several times that I used to have an FAL. I got the bottom of the barrel, entry level FAL (Century at the time), and while mine worked fine it was just that. Entry Level, kinda blah. When I started culling rifles to pay for nice guns it was the first to go.
I've shot nice DSA's (and even once the real thing) and the FAL's I've seen that meet that Voyager's price point aren't as nice, and in the end MHO is aren't worth it. The "real deal" built right ones are.
If you can afford the coin, something like this is an FAL you'll keep forever, and will last.
FWIW, I've mentioned several times that I used to have an FAL. I got the bottom of the barrel, entry level FAL (Century at the time), and while mine worked fine it was just that. Entry Level, kinda blah. When I started culling rifles to pay for nice guns it was the first to go.
I've shot nice DSA's (and even once the real thing) and the FAL's I've seen that meet that Voyager's price point aren't as nice, and in the end MHO is aren't worth it. The "real deal" built right ones are.
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Never held a FAL. Is it about the same weight as a basic PTR? The PTR felt kind of heavy for me.
A PTR GI is about a 1/4 lb lighter then that Voyager. But there's so many variations on both G3's and FAL's that it can go back and forth depending on exactly how the gun is set up.
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