DUI Checkpoint caught on film

[Deanimator]

And as I have also said it does not allow for willful and wanton disregard.

And you are of course wrong.

The cop fulfills his "duty" to society AT LARGE merely by being there.

ONE MORE TIME:

Absent a "SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP" with the police, NO INDIVIDUAL has ANY claim on protection AS AN INDIVIDUAL, REGARDLESS of the circumstances.

No "special relationship", no DUTY. PERIOD.

"Wilful and wanton disregard" do not a DUTY make.

Feel free to post a cite which proves otherwise.

Wishful thinking regarding the duty of the police to protect individuals does not count.

You of course cannot and will not.

 

[joab]

ONE MORE TIME:

Right back atcha

No duty to the individual does not allow for willful and wanton disregard

Just because it fits into your propaganda does not make it true.

Feel free to post a cite which proves otherwise.

Wishful thinking regarding the duty of the police to protect individuals does not count.

You of course cannot and will not.

Feel free to read my previous post where I did just that
Pay special attention to the first link

Dee Dee Dee

 

[evan price]

To get this back o nthe original topic instead of a senseless request for cites:


How's about this for an intrusion, similar to the DUI checkpoints:

Ohio DMV randomly mails out requests to provide proof of insurance to owners of vehicles that are currently licensed. You have to mail back a copy of your valid auto insurance card or policy page to prove you are insured. If you fail to respond, or fail to send proof if insurance, they cancel your driver's license. So, if you don't get the notice for whatever reason your license is cancelled.

Why not send random letters out asking you to prove you haven't robbed a bank? Where is the line for this, or DUI checkpoints?

 

[Deanimator]

Right back atcha

No duty to the individual does not allow for willful and wanton disregard

Just because it fits into your propaganda does not make it true.

In ILLINOIS... SOMETIMES... MAYBE.

Of course that's the same state where the Chicago Police Union was outraged that police were not EXEMPTED from a law forbidding those convicted of domestic violence from owning or possessing firearms...

 

[joab]

Of course that's the same state where the Chicago Police Union was outraged that police were not EXEMPTED from a law forbidding those convicted of domestic violence from owning or possessing firearms.

And?

 

[Highland Ranger]

still nothing getting done here . . . .

 

[Henry the Eighth]

I have been trying, with no luck so far, to find the California case from a couple of years ago. A CHP Patrolman watched a car go over an embankment and crash to the ground below. He hopped on his motorcycle and drove off, not bothering to call it in. The man died, the family found out about the CHP patrolman and sued. Lost in court because the police have no duty to protect any individual. So, you can debate whether or not this equates to watching somebody getting their head blown off and doing nothing or not. I say it does and I will keep looking for the link.

Columbine also a case in point. If we follow the time line and read the testimony, the police were there and refused to go in, knowing full well people were being murdered because they could hear the gun shots.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

let us know

when you find that case...

and the columbine response has been disected and resulted in a change in tactics nationwide. i know i'm a kill joy but the response at columbine was sop up to that time. and contrary to the delusion so near and dear to some if was not related to the cops not being "real men" like the guys who usually bring it up.

but continue to amuse

 

[Henry the Eighth]

If the response at Columbine was SOP at the time, why did they need a SWAT team at all? I mean, if they were just going to sit around and wait for the bad guys to surrender, regular beat cops could have done that. And, why is it that the SOP for shots fired in a school is sitting around and waiting, but SOP for a no knock raid is to show up at 3:00AM, take a bettering ram to the front door, lob in a few stun grenades and have several men in paramilitary gear charge in with fully automatic weapons at the ready? Could it have anything to do with the threat the officers perceive to themselves? In the first instance the threat to the officers is quite high, in the second it is almost zero.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

hmm

forgive me if i am too forward or if answering would be embarassing to you, but what is it you do for a living /career? or perhaps what are you studying to do?

 

[Henry the Eighth]

While searching for my CHP link, I did come across this quote from the California Appellate Court:

"Police officers have no affirmative statutory duty to do anything.”[7]

In this article:

http://psacake.com/dial_911.asp

It seems there are many rulings and cases where the police were called, did not respond, people were injured or killed and the police took a walk. Whether you want to argue that this is not directly witnessing a crime or not is up to you, but as I always tell people, you cannot rely on the police to do anything to save you, you must take responsibility for your own safety.

 

[Henry the Eighth]

What does my livelihood have to do with this discussion?

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

one post 2 replys

i couldn't find the story you referenced earlier in the link? i couldn't even find it in urban legends.


my curiosity was generated by a growinf suspicion that you were still in the "training phase " of life. i once held very simialr beliefs when i was in that age. they evolved as ny experience with real life increased. if you are embarassed to answer or merely a private kinda guy we can understand that sometimes knowing where someone is coming from make understqnding how they arrive at a viewpoint clearer.

 

[Henry the Eighth]

Training phase of life? That's a good one! Sorry, but I used to believe as you did when I was young, impressionable and still wet behind the ears. Before I shook off that public school and university indoctrination and started finding out for myself what is being done in our name.

I have a EE from a 4 year university and twenty plus years of experience in engineering, sales and management. I no longer hold the naive belief that the government has our best interests at heart. I can assure you, they are only interested in what's good for them. I am alarmed at the rise of the SWAT teams, no knock raids, roadblocks, the erosion of liberty and the complete lack of any politicians worthy of being elected to office. I used to believe in the two party system until I realized that every last politician will tell you anything to get elected, then do a complete turn around once in office. I used to think nothing of the Federal Reserve and where our money comes from until I started to study the Austrian School of economics and such great minds as Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard and Hans Herman Hoppe.

If you really believe this country is on the right course and the government and its agents can do no wrong, I have to wonder where you have been for the last twenty years as you seem to have no frame of reference of what a free country used to be like.

 

[Art Eatman]

This has wandered way off topic...

Art