E-Forms

[dogtown tom]

I wonder the same with Silencer Shops site. Everyone claims they have top notch web security but seems to always get hacked. My question is what would they do with the info? I do worry about identity theft.

When did Silencer Shop get hacked?
In the decade I've been a SS Powered By Dealer it hasn't happened.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Because citizens have demanded it.
Because Congress approved the ATF budget line for software and hardware improvements.
Because paper form processing is time consuming.
Because they use of eForms for all other NFA forms has been a huge success.

I don’t trust the ATF & NFA … making things easy is not very government

 

[dogtown tom]

I don’t trust the ATF & NFA … making things easy is not very government

Yet literally millions of people pay their income tax to the IRS via eFile every year.

Government will always make it easy to pay them.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Yet literally millions of people pay their income tax to the IRS via eFile every year.

Government will always make it easy to pay them.

good point!

 

[RockRat64]

When did Silencer Shop get hacked?
In the decade I've been a SS Powered By Dealer it hasn't happened.

They haven't, just saying the possibility worries me a bit. Still a solid customer.

 

[jtrent]

Just e-filed the form 4 at LGS. Took in passport pic, paid online. LGS person took fingerprints which had to be mailed in cause they didn’t have the machine to electronically send them. ATF says 90 day turn around according to LGS person. Time will tell.

 

[gotboostvr]

My E-filed form 4 just got certified and is awaiting ATF approval. Did everything through a silencershop kiosk on 12/23, so I'm just under a month right now.

Any guesses on how long it'll take to get approval?

Any E-forms get approved yet for anyone?

 

[dogtown tom]

My E-filed form 4 just got certified and is awaiting ATF approval. Did everything through a silencershop kiosk on 12/23, so I'm just under a month right now.

Any guesses on how long it'll take to get approval?

ATF's target is 90 days. That 90 days from the date submitted to them, not from the day you submitted prints at the kiosk.

Any E-forms get approved yet for anyone?

Oh heck no.
No one is anywhere close on an eForm 4 approval. The system has only been up a month and not running bug free as of today.

 

[gotboostvr]

ATF's target is 90 days. That 90 days from the date submitted to them, not from the day you submitted prints at the kiosk.

Oh heck no.
No one is anywhere close on an eForm 4 approval. The system has only been up a month and not running bug free as of today.

Oh I was fully mentally prepared for a ~1yr wait, I had planned on buying one almost a year ago but the money got allocated elsewhere at the time. The E-filing going live the same day as I hit the kiosk was just a happy coincidence. Just happened to get off work early that day and having talked the wife into paying the $200 stamp as a Christmas present a few weeks before.

I didn't expect many, if any E-form 4's had been turned around yet.

 

[jtrent]

Just e-filed the form 4 at LGS. Took in passport pic, paid online. LGS person took fingerprints which had to be mailed in cause they didn’t have the machine to electronically send them. ATF says 90 day turn around according to LGS person. Time will tell.

ATF has received my hard copy fingerprints. Got the signed return receipt today.

 

[gotboostvr]

ATF has received my hard copy fingerprints. Got the signed return receipt today.

They've had mine about two weeks now (1/18). I'll let you know when mine comes back.

 

[CapnMac]

Why is the government making it easier???

It's in their financial interest.
Consider the hundreds if not thousands of Forms processed. They need to be handled by some similar quantity of government personnel. You are unlikely, in the region, to be able to hire those for less than a cost of $100K per year per each (presuming a $75K pay rate). Replace just ten of those employees with electronic automation and you save a million bucks a year.

As Tom (once again) astutely points out, that gets things done faster, as well as for cheaper--which has been a concern voiced both within and about BAFTE. Who are sensitive to such things, if more to their political masters (who hold the purse strings) than to we mere citizens.

There's a concurrent "gain" in the process, as the e-system can check the entries as you make them. Which saves having to have the bureau check the forms, and then have to get corrections somehow.--which takes both time and personnel, and money.

Getting the end users to do all the work is to the benefit of bureaucrats and staffers, all the better that they only have to work "banker's hours."

The more poignant question might be "Why did it take them decades to implement these changes?"

 

[Mark_Mark]

It's in their financial interest.
Consider the hundreds if not thousands of Forms processed. They need to be handled by some similar quantity of government personnel. You are unlikely, in the region, to be able to hire those for less than a cost of $100K per year per each (presuming a $75K pay rate). Replace just ten of those employees with electronic automation and you save a million bucks a year.

As Tom (once again) astutely points out, that gets things done faster, as well as for cheaper--which has been a concern voiced both within and about BAFTE. Who are sensitive to such things, if more to their political masters (who hold the purse strings) than to we mere citizens.

There's a concurrent "gain" in the process, as the e-system can check the entries as you make them. Which saves having to have the bureau check the forms, and then have to get corrections somehow.--which takes both time and personnel, and money.

Getting the end users to do all the work is to the benefit of bureaucrats and staffers, all the better that they only have to work "banker's hours."

The more poignant question might be "Why did it take them decades to implement these changes?"

IDK… still think they are trying something not right. Can’t figure it out yet but them Fed Boyz always looking for a reason. I’m glade a got a lawyer.

 

[dogtown tom]

IDK… still think they are trying something not right. Can’t figure it out yet but them Fed Boyz always looking for a reason. I’m glade a got a lawyer.

The problem with conspiracy theories is that the government is behind every one of them.
Just like this one.

 

[Mark_Mark]

The problem with conspiracy theories is that the government is behind every one of them.
Just like this one.

100%

 

[irishlad]

Just curious if since my original post has anyone noticed an improvement with the e-form speeding up the process(wait time)?

 

[dogtown tom]

Just curious if since my original post has anyone noticed an improvement with the e-form speeding up the process(wait time)?

Oh heck yeah its speeded up the process.
I'm sitting on over a hundred paper Form 4's that are a year old.
I'm getting approved eForm 4's from January and February, 2022 every week.

ATF had stated last November that their target was ninety day approvals. I've had them ranging from 90-150 days.

 

[gotboostvr]

Oh heck yeah its speeded up the process.
I'm sitting on over a hundred paper Form 4's that are a year old.
I'm getting approved eForm 4's from January and February, 2022 every week.

ATF had stated last November that their target was ninety day approvals. I've had them ranging from 90-150 days.

I've heard tell of a few coming back in the mid 30's to low 40's for days waited.

The majority of them are coming back around the 90 day mark.

I'm currently twiddling my thumbs at day 125.