Reed1911
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Oh! BTW, he's also the vice-president IIRC.
EAA Witness
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Bazooka Joe71
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Well, honestly, if that is the case with Paul, then there isnt an issue. I am also a pretty laid back guy, and would never start screaming into the phone demanding my gun fixed. BUT, if i was curtious, and he was still crappy with me, then im gonna be pissed that i bought a gun from them.
Big Gay Al
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Well, you might checks Reed's Ammo and Research, http://www.reedsammo.com They've got a great selection, and the prices look pretty good to me, specially for what some people still consider a "specialty caliber."
Reed, you guys wouldn't happen to have any 10mm 6" match barrels in stock, eh? I really wanted to buy a 10mm longslide upper unit, but EAA doesn't offer it. I assume you can't get one either. Also, can you get any of the small parts (trigger, hammer, safety) at better prices than EAA?
LiquidTension
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While $16.59 is a pretty good price, it's still quite a bit more expensive than <$12 per box for .40.
Reed1911
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Small parts we can order in, but they are the same or a little higher than the cost that EAA lists. Barrels we can order in, except for the 6" 10mm. Tanfoglio still does not make them. Don't ask me why they are listed, I asked the same thing.
On ammo, we used to have the 10mm RM available at 12.50-13.50 per box but with the cost of brass so high it is no longer available until the cost settles back down. As for being more expensive than .40 short and weak
) ) I don't forsee a future where the 10mm will ever be as inexpensive as it. I also don't see the 357 Mag being less than the .38, or the 40 being less than the 9mm. If nothing else, we do re-load customer's once fired brass in almost all the calibers so as always Save your brass, even if you don't plan to reload it you can give it away, trade it away, or sell it for scrap (Wed 8-23 price on scrap yellow brass was $2.06 per lb.)
On ammo, we used to have the 10mm RM available at 12.50-13.50 per box but with the cost of brass so high it is no longer available until the cost settles back down. As for being more expensive than .40 short and weak
) ) I don't forsee a future where the 10mm will ever be as inexpensive as it. I also don't see the 357 Mag being less than the .38, or the 40 being less than the 9mm. If nothing else, we do re-load customer's once fired brass in almost all the calibers so as always Save your brass, even if you don't plan to reload it you can give it away, trade it away, or sell it for scrap (Wed 8-23 price on scrap yellow brass was $2.06 per lb.)Big Gay Al
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I don't think I've seen anyone with cheaper prices on the small parts. At least Reed sells the conversion units cheaper than EAA.
Yeah, $16.00 a box doesn't beat $12.00 per box. Neither does 12.00 beat <$8.00 per box of 9mm either. But then I always end up paying premium prices for carry ammo. Target practice ammo, I search for cheaper prices.
If you want want it cheaper, either buy in bulk, or start reloading. Both of which I'm going to have to consider if/when I can afford to get the 10mm conversion. Which may have to wait until tax time. Unless a job I've been looking at starts up soon.
Yeah, $16.00 a box doesn't beat $12.00 per box. Neither does 12.00 beat <$8.00 per box of 9mm either. But then I always end up paying premium prices for carry ammo. Target practice ammo, I search for cheaper prices.
If you want want it cheaper, either buy in bulk, or start reloading. Both of which I'm going to have to consider if/when I can afford to get the 10mm conversion. Which may have to wait until tax time. Unless a job I've been looking at starts up soon.
Reed, so EAA can't even get the 6"? I hadn't asked, but this makes me more and more want to trade my Witness for a Glock. I'm wanting accessories that apparently aren't made for the Witness, or are hard to get. Namely sights and barrels. I like the Witness' single action trigger and steel frame, but it seems limited unless you want to leave it 'as is' or pay out the rear for one of their specialty models... Not the match, that thing is a good deal, wish it was around when I got my Witness.
LiquidTension, the 10mm is practically a magnum round. It's cheaper than the big revolver cartridges for ammo, but more than traditional service calibers. You pay for the extra performance. If you want something that can handle just about any chore, from self-defense to medium-game hunting to fun and attention, then the 10mm is it. The 9mm, .40S&W, and .45 ACP are cheaper, but can they push a 200gr bullet at 1200fps from a service gun? What about a 135gr bullet at 1600fps?
So, anyone know where I can get my hands on a .40 Super barrel (prefer 6") for a 1911? If I can't get the velocity/features out of my Witness for my use, I'll start disecting a 1911 of mine.
LiquidTension, the 10mm is practically a magnum round. It's cheaper than the big revolver cartridges for ammo, but more than traditional service calibers. You pay for the extra performance. If you want something that can handle just about any chore, from self-defense to medium-game hunting to fun and attention, then the 10mm is it. The 9mm, .40S&W, and .45 ACP are cheaper, but can they push a 200gr bullet at 1200fps from a service gun? What about a 135gr bullet at 1600fps?
So, anyone know where I can get my hands on a .40 Super barrel (prefer 6") for a 1911? If I can't get the velocity/features out of my Witness for my use, I'll start disecting a 1911 of mine.
Dont do it!
Ill try to be quick. Two e.a.a.'s at once. Limited Gold .40 and the E. Match 9mm. $1,000 and $500, new. The mag problams with the 9? Same mags for all cal. just bend the feed lips smaller. 9,s nose dive under feed ramp. Tech prob. talk to Tech. (I dont shoot reloads) No you shoot bad ammo. Round and round we go. Sold gun before new re-desined mags came in (4 months later).
Gold .40, failed to eject, closer look, ejector loose and spring week. Tech Prob. Talk to Tech. No you shoot bad ammo. Slod this gun for a major loss.
Both guns were in three times each for repair. The thrid time back I did not shoot the gold (it looked like they actualy fixed it) I sold it. I sold the Match after they tryed to make me buy the new improved mags. X 5.
I will never buy anything from this Co. again, nor do I advise you too. You might not have the same trouble I had, but then again.
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Ill try to be quick. Two e.a.a.'s at once. Limited Gold .40 and the E. Match 9mm. $1,000 and $500, new. The mag problams with the 9? Same mags for all cal. just bend the feed lips smaller. 9,s nose dive under feed ramp. Tech prob. talk to Tech. (I dont shoot reloads) No you shoot bad ammo. Round and round we go. Sold gun before new re-desined mags came in (4 months later).
Gold .40, failed to eject, closer look, ejector loose and spring week. Tech Prob. Talk to Tech. No you shoot bad ammo. Slod this gun for a major loss.
Both guns were in three times each for repair. The thrid time back I did not shoot the gold (it looked like they actualy fixed it) I sold it. I sold the Match after they tryed to make me buy the new improved mags. X 5.
I will never buy anything from this Co. again, nor do I advise you too. You might not have the same trouble I had, but then again.
(Where is the spell check on this thing)
Big Gay Al
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Rook, how is EAA supposed to get a 6" barrel for the Witness, when the longest one that Tanfoglio makes is 5.25"? If you really want a 6" barrel for it, it will HAVE to be custom made. Unless some barrel maker out there already makes barrels for it.
You might try Bar-Sto. They make barrels for the CZ P9, which they say will fit the EAA witness. This barrel costs $200.00 according to their website. You might get them to make a 6" 10mm. But there's no telling how much they'll want for a one off like that. Apparently they don't make the CZ P9 barrel in 10mm, nor any other CZ type barrel. Their site says 9mm, .40 S&W, and .357 SIG. I guess it's one way to get a .357 Sig version.
http://www.barsto.com/category_main.cfm?ID=CZP
The Hudge: All I can tell you, EVERYONE produces bad guns from time to time. I guess it was just your bad luck to get two bad ones at once. I do think they should have replaced the mags you had, rather than charge you for it.
All I know is that so far, my .45 Witness has worked just great, and my one experince with Customer service has been equally great. All I can really say is, better luck next time.
You might try Bar-Sto. They make barrels for the CZ P9, which they say will fit the EAA witness. This barrel costs $200.00 according to their website. You might get them to make a 6" 10mm. But there's no telling how much they'll want for a one off like that. Apparently they don't make the CZ P9 barrel in 10mm, nor any other CZ type barrel. Their site says 9mm, .40 S&W, and .357 SIG. I guess it's one way to get a .357 Sig version.
http://www.barsto.com/category_main.cfm?ID=CZP
The Hudge: All I can tell you, EVERYONE produces bad guns from time to time. I guess it was just your bad luck to get two bad ones at once. I do think they should have replaced the mags you had, rather than charge you for it.
All I know is that so far, my .45 Witness has worked just great, and my one experince with Customer service has been equally great. All I can really say is, better luck next time.
Well, EAA is the one listing it on their site for sale. Ask them, eh? That's why it came as a shock when Reed made his comment, seeing as I hadn't inquired EAA about it. I emailed them a while back about a 10mm longslide, just to see if it was even possible to get one because they used to sell them. I was quite thorough in asking specific questions. All I got in reply was, "Sir, we don't carry that." Nothing else. No idea who replied, and they dismissed all my other questions.
Like I said, I guess I'll go with the .40 Super or something like that for the 1911. Maybe even .45 Super. I can get a BarSto barrel for $200, $265 for 6". The Witness is just too much of a hassle (and expense) to do anything with it besides leaving it stock. A 22lb recoil spring for full-power loads is about the only modification you can make short of spending $50.
Another knock for EAA: They don't consider full-power ammo to be supported by the 10mm Witness. If someone has a problem because a part failed and they mention using Double Tap or some other specialty ammo loaded to actual SAAMI specs, they have a history of not wanting to help.
Big Gay Al
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Did you ask them if the 6" barrel they carry will fit a standard slide? I mean, if you want a 6" barrel, does it need a slide to cover it all the way?
Since I can't find the 6" barrel on Tanfoglio's site, I'm wondering if EAA ordered the 6" barrels from someone else?
As for the rest, there are plenty of people who use the 10mm Witness with full power ammo, so I'm not that concerned about it. And if I did break a part on it, I certainly would never admit to having used Double Tap ammo.
But maybe that's just me.
Since I can't find the 6" barrel on Tanfoglio's site, I'm wondering if EAA ordered the 6" barrels from someone else?
As for the rest, there are plenty of people who use the 10mm Witness with full power ammo, so I'm not that concerned about it. And if I did break a part on it, I certainly would never admit to having used Double Tap ammo.
But maybe that's just me.
I might try emailing them again. Maybe this time I would get more than a one sentence answer. Personally, I'd like to have the extra sight radius a longslide offers. Is it something I can skip? Sure.
Double Tap would be the least of my problems. I would have to omit the part where a heavy load of x800 or Blue Dot was powering the gun when it went downhill. If they ever ask, I was using AE 180gr TC loads. BTW, who has the cheapest 15rnd 10mm mags?
Double Tap would be the least of my problems. I would have to omit the part where a heavy load of x800 or Blue Dot was powering the gun when it went downhill. If they ever ask, I was using AE 180gr TC loads. BTW, who has the cheapest 15rnd 10mm mags?
Big Gay Al
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Reeds Ammo has them listed at $20.00 each for Original Tanfoglio made mags.
I've not seen them any cheaper, unless they're used. But you might try gunbroker.com.
I've not seen them any cheaper, unless they're used. But you might try gunbroker.com.
Seismic Sam
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I was polite, and I got dumped on anyway...
I ordered a 10mm comp kit from EAA, and when it showed up I put the longer barrel and recoil rod in it, and then screwed on the comp and tried to rack the slide. No go. Looked at the gun, COULD NOT figure out what was wrong, and called up EAA.
Paul came on the line, listened to my problem, told me that those comp kits could ONLY be installed by a professional gunsmith that I would have to pay myself to have done, and the tone in his voice intimated that I was a clueless idiot and he was God, and then he pretty much hung up on me. He never offered any help as to what might be the problem, never suggested that the kit could have been faulty, and sure as hell didn't offer to send me a new one to see if it worked better. He was just arrogant and disintrested, and I was so taken aback by his behavior that I didn't even have the presence of mind to protest, much less get rude about it.
Turns out the recoil rod was too long on the comp kit, so that the barrel would not unlock from the slide when the comp was screwed on, so the original kit was defective. It took me a couple of hours through a local gun guru to find an EAA expert in Florida who had seen this before and knew what the problem was, and after I ground .200" off the recoil rod the gun worked fine.
Bottom line, MY job is customer service on the phone for 3M, and no matter WHAT the customer says to you, or whether he curses you or your products out, your job is to remain professional and try to solve the problem for that customer any way you can. Suggesting that Paul Richter has ANY right to behave the way he does if there's a dissatisfied customer on the line is pure B.S.
BTW - here's a compendium of some of the people Paul has dealt with - you don't generate a fan club like this if you're a decent human being:
http://p201.ezboard.com/fczechpistols82792frm35.showMessage?topicID=1796.topic
I ordered a 10mm comp kit from EAA, and when it showed up I put the longer barrel and recoil rod in it, and then screwed on the comp and tried to rack the slide. No go. Looked at the gun, COULD NOT figure out what was wrong, and called up EAA.
Paul came on the line, listened to my problem, told me that those comp kits could ONLY be installed by a professional gunsmith that I would have to pay myself to have done, and the tone in his voice intimated that I was a clueless idiot and he was God, and then he pretty much hung up on me. He never offered any help as to what might be the problem, never suggested that the kit could have been faulty, and sure as hell didn't offer to send me a new one to see if it worked better. He was just arrogant and disintrested, and I was so taken aback by his behavior that I didn't even have the presence of mind to protest, much less get rude about it.Turns out the recoil rod was too long on the comp kit, so that the barrel would not unlock from the slide when the comp was screwed on, so the original kit was defective. It took me a couple of hours through a local gun guru to find an EAA expert in Florida who had seen this before and knew what the problem was, and after I ground .200" off the recoil rod the gun worked fine.
Bottom line, MY job is customer service on the phone for 3M, and no matter WHAT the customer says to you, or whether he curses you or your products out, your job is to remain professional and try to solve the problem for that customer any way you can. Suggesting that Paul Richter has ANY right to behave the way he does if there's a dissatisfied customer on the line is pure B.S.
BTW - here's a compendium of some of the people Paul has dealt with - you don't generate a fan club like this if you're a decent human being:
http://p201.ezboard.com/fczechpistols82792frm35.showMessage?topicID=1796.topic
Bazooka Joe71
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Thats just plain rediculous. No excuse for that.
Reed1911
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Jax,
I do have various pics (three I think), They are brand new in the box. Shoot me an e-mail either direct [email protected] or through the website and I will e-mail them to you.
400.00 ea shipped, .40 S&W Single-Action and SFS both available.
I do have various pics (three I think), They are brand new in the box. Shoot me an e-mail either direct [email protected] or through the website and I will e-mail them to you.
400.00 ea shipped, .40 S&W Single-Action and SFS both available.
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