EDC for new female shooter

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Lots of good advice here. I will only note that even as a confirmed revolver man, I consider small snubs to be graduate-level stuff. These tend to be extraordinarily difficult guns to shoot well, and I am very glad that I did not encounter any until I was already experienced.
 
There are many indoor ranges that rent different guns. Why not go to one and have her try a couple of your choosing.
Personally I would suggest a 2 or 4 inch S&W Model 10 in .38 Special for small hands.
 
seems like it might be complicated for her
Why do you say that? Is she not very intelligent?
For many women (and men) grip strength and hand size is a limiting factor. Small frame revolvers are often recommended. They are also the least pleasant to shoot and the most difficult to become proficient with, IMO.
She should shoot as many guns as possible and pick what she likes.
 
my sister got an older, used, steel, not alloy, five shot, taurus 85 38sp snubbie revolver awhile ago because she wanted something simple, reliable and inexpensive. i took her shooting a few times. she happily and consistently hits with it. the steel frame absorbs recoil well. for folks who aren’t much into firearms, there is a reason why a 38sp revolver is the ubiquitous bedside handgun.
 
My wife has recently decided that she would like a handgun for personal protection. I have carried ever since moving to a state that believes in the 2nd Amendment, and currently carry a Sig P365 loaded with 10+1 Critical Defense and a second spare mag. I’ve been shooting my whole life, and own many guns including semiautomatic pistols and revolvers so I’m familiar with the pros and cons of each. My specific question is on what would be the better choice for my wife to carry.

I like the idea of a revolver such as a LCR or S&W J frame in .38 special since the manual of arms is so simple and the double action trigger pull adds to safety. My concern is that she’s got small hands and the DA trigger pull may be a bit much for her. She’s fired my Glock 19 at the range and likes that, but I’m not super comfortable that she can operate the slide quickly if needed. I’ve thought of a hammer fired DA/SA with a decocker/safety, but that seems like it might be complicated for her. I’d appreciate your thoughts, especially if you’ve dealt with the same sort of situation.

Referring to the underlined sentence in your OP, since I believe others have answered you well, let me just say that "complications" can be made understandable with sufficient practice as we ALL must do with our carry pieces.
 
For a whole lot of reasons, I'd try the j frame first. It's just simpler to use in a brawl. No safety to forget & no mag to fall out when you do not want it to. All the quirks of auto loaders complicate things for a beginner. It shakes there confidence. A mild 38 load is pleasant to shoot, also. Ladies dont usually like really intense rounds. It's not a howitzer, but it is easy to pack. If it's easy to pack, it will be there when needed, not left in the car because she just didnt feel like carrying a big gun around all day. I could never carry my 45 everywhere.
 
My wife of 54 years is 70 years old. She owns a Glock 19, a S&W 642,
a Ruger LCP Gen 2, a S&W M&P .22 Compact and a Ruger LC9. She's had
her CCW since 1990 and as a Magistrate, she carried under the Judge's
dispensation prior to that. She was shooting a .22 her mother give her to carry
when walking in the wood alone at age 12.
That said, she daily carries her 642 in a pocket holster, her LCP in her purse
and uses the Glock 19 as a bedside gun with Olight PL Mini 2 and CT laser.
The LC9 is in her BOB and the M&P .22 Compact is her plinking gun.
I suggest you teach her to shoot and let her try an assortment of weapons
and let her chose. The gun needs to fit her and her lifestyle as much as
possible or she won't carry it EDC like she should. If she can't conceal it
she won't carry it, if she can't hit the side of a barn from the inside, she'll
get disillusioned and won't carry it.
Just my advise.
Dano
 
I agree with letting her choose, but you can steer her to some good possibilities. My 2¢:.
  • Nix on J-frame. Ouch!
  • SIG P238 -- teach manual of arms rigorously: slide can be racked with safety on, but only if hammer is cocked, etc.
  • Glock 42
  • Glock 42
  • Glock 42
 
I am of the mind that non-gun people, be they male or female, should stick with a DA revolver. An LCR in .22 Magnum would do the job or in .38. I have the somewhat heavier .357 and like if needed, I can shoot it from a coat pocket, or the fanny pack I have when I am bicycling, no need to brandish. And there are light load .38 Special rounds available for sensitive shooters that will still be quite hurtful to a bad sort of person.
 
Lots of good advice here. I will only note that even as a confirmed revolver man, I consider small snubs to be graduate-level stuff. These tend to be extraordinarily difficult guns to shoot well, and I am very glad that I did not encounter any until I was already experienced.

For target or action sport games I'm 100% in agreement but... an airweight inside a purse is at the ready and on the grip without brandishing. If a perceived threat vanishes, no biggie, if OTOH it turns into a close quarters issue a handbag stuffed into the chest / gut of an assailant will immediately nullify the need for advanced training. Add to that with the revolver in a purse an assailant is going to have a difficult time disarming the woman, not so with an auto out in the open. Just my opinion, not anything to fight about.
 
For target or action sport games I'm 100% in agreement but... an airweight inside a purse is at the ready and on the grip without brandishing. If a perceived threat vanishes, no biggie, if OTOH it turns into a close quarters issue a handbag stuffed into the chest / gut of an assailant will immediately nullify the need for advanced training. Add to that with the revolver in a purse an assailant is going to have a difficult time disarming the woman, not so with an auto out in the open. Just my opinion, not anything to fight about.

you make a good point many don't think about. like a snubby in a winter coat pocket, in a purse the use can be the same. no need to draw from the purse.
 
For target or action sport games I'm 100% in agreement but... an airweight inside a purse is at the ready and on the grip without brandishing. If a perceived threat vanishes, no biggie, if OTOH it turns into a close quarters issue a handbag stuffed into the chest / gut of an assailant will immediately nullify the need for advanced training. Add to that with the revolver in a purse an assailant is going to have a difficult time disarming the woman, not so with an auto out in the open. Just my opinion, not anything to fight about.

Well, maybe. I guess that could be filed under the "Any gun is better than no gun" header. For my money I'd prefer my wife/girlfriend/daughter be trained and armed in a way that hopefully prevents the fight from being close quarters. If only every woman could be issued a shotgun for open carry...
 
Well, maybe. I guess that could be filed under the "Any gun is better than no gun" header. For my money I'd prefer my wife/girlfriend/daughter be trained and armed in a way that hopefully prevents the fight from being close quarters. If only every woman could be issued a shotgun for open carry...

Situational awareness is a longer term goal than buying a gun and carrying it day one. If an instructor is committed to a course of action and knows their client may die, then all the "Well, maybe" arguments fall on their head should their client lose a confrontation.

There is no way a gun anywhere but in hand at T-zero of a confrontation is better... No if's, buts or maybe.

I've been teaching long enough to realize that little I teach was an inspirational eureka moment. I learned and present every and all options, failing to do that is well... irresponsible. You teach your way, and I'll teach mine it's only wrong if you wind up wrong.
 
When I was buying my S&W 915 at the used gun counter,I saw a woman buying a S&W Shield 380EZ with the grip safety. That seems like a smart choice for a new shooter.
S&W must be selling millions of them!
 
If they don’t like it they won’t be enthused about carrying it and they definitely won’t want to go to the range. That means maybe the gun will be “cute” rather than the technical best carry gun. Or maybe comfortable controls and manual of arms for her -in perhaps not the best self defense caliber.

*My* wife likes the Sig p238 in .380acp. She can reach the controls comfortably, finds the recoil manageable, and most importantly for her, she can rack the slide readily. She was not a fan of the S&W .380 EZ, which I thought might be a better choice, nor was she a fan, in any way, of a DA revolver (found DA too heavy for her finger). But every hand is different. I strongly encourage you to take your wife to a gun show and let her handle all the guns that might strike her fancy.
 
I'M A LITTLE LATE ON THE CONVERSATION. BUT I HAVE TRAINED A OVER 2K FEMALES WITH PISTOLS. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE 9MM SHIELD OR THE RUGER LC9S ( NEVER IN MY LIFE DID I THINK I WOULD BE RECOMMENDING A RUGER) WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO. BOTH ARE VERY EASY SHOOTING. BOTH CARRY VERY EASY AND ARE EASY FOR PERFORM A MANUAL OF ARMS. IF SMALLER SIZE IS SOUGHT. THAN THE RUGER LCP, LCPII OR S&W BODYGUARD(NON LASER) 380'S ARE VERY TOUGH TO BEAT. JIM P
 
Without knowing you or your wife, it's really useless to suggest a course of action for you. Best advice is lend her or rent her anything she's interested in shooting and let her decide. Then practice, practice, practice safe & efficient use of the one she chooses.
 
my sister got an older, used, steel, not alloy, five shot, taurus 85 38sp snubbie revolver awhile ago because she wanted something simple, reliable and inexpensive. i took her shooting a few times. she happily and consistently hits with it. the steel frame absorbs recoil well. for folks who aren’t much into firearms, there is a reason why a 38sp revolver is the ubiquitous bedside handgun.
My wife always grabs her Taurus 856, she trusts it, had the guts reworked and polished then a Galloway Spring kit...extra smooth and great DA and SA pulls.
She still loves her Bersa Thunder380, but not to take with her, just the range.
 
I had my wife try dozens of guns. I even bought three that she liked at first, but ultimately disliked. We tried various revolvers and autos, Kel-techs, S&W, Glock, Ruger. I even bought her an FEG that she liked as her CC at first, but now is her back up because I had her prove to me that she could get it out and get the safety off quickly and fire after three weeks of no practice. She couldn't. She was finally happy with Charter arms Lavender Lady, 5 shot DA revolver. Wouldn't have been my choice for her, but she is comfortable with it and can reliably get into action with it after months of not touching it.
 
My wife has recently decided that she would like a handgun for personal protection. I have carried ever since moving to a state that believes in the 2nd Amendment, and currently carry a Sig P365 loaded with 10+1 Critical Defense and a second spare mag. I’ve been shooting my whole life, and own many guns including semiautomatic pistols and revolvers so I’m familiar with the pros and cons of each. My specific question is on what would be the better choice for my wife to carry.

I like the idea of a revolver such as a LCR or S&W J frame in .38 special since the manual of arms is so simple and the double action trigger pull adds to safety. My concern is that she’s got small hands and the DA trigger pull may be a bit much for her. She’s fired my Glock 19 at the range and likes that, but I’m not super comfortable that she can operate the slide quickly if needed. I’ve thought of a hammer fired DA/SA with a decocker/safety, but that seems like it might be complicated for her. I’d appreciate your thoughts, especially if you’ve dealt with the same sort of situation.

OK, the road to blah, blah, blah, paved with yellow bricks or something. However that saying goes.

Don't fall into allowing your "ideas" to be the guiding or deciding factor. Not saying you are, but it's a common enough occurrence to make it worth pointing out.

This is not to say your ideas aren't worth while or important...just that how you present them may come across negatively.

Regardless of the individual, I ALWAYS advise ANYBODY to get out there and handle/shoot a variety of guns and see what they like. There are many factors which are important, and those factors are weighed differently from individual to individual.

Some such factors: Size, weight, feel, balance, design, caliber, capacity, auto/revolver, material, manufacturing company, color, custom features, recoil, sights, ease of operations, cost, availability, and not to be understated: personal taste.

As a couple personal examples:

1. Glocks are by any measure an outstanding pistol. They didn't get their reputation because they're a piece of dung. And a great many people swear by them for a variety of reasons. I totally understand all this, and more...but to me they're uglier than sin and I won't own one. BUT THAT'S ME.

2. My wife's pistol is a Walther PPK/S. She loves the look and feel, but has a very difficult time operating the safety and slide and always has me or my son go with her to the range to help her with these things. But she'll NEVER give up that gun because that's her "Bond gun" and that woman is a HUGE James Bond fan. She ADORES it. Knowing she would not be able to easily operate this pistol, I would NEVER have recommended or bought it for her. But her being such a huge James Bond fan makes all the difference to her and therefore could not be discounted in the decision to get that gun. Is it suitable for personal protection for my wife? Not with these problems. But the beauty is there are OTHER guns she can get which WOULD be.

SO...take your wife gun shopping. Go to gun shops/ranges which rent a variety of guns and try them out. (If for no other reason than "shooting is fun".) Go to gun shows where she can walk dozens of tables, talk to people, and handle a huge variety of handguns of all types, sizes, calibers, etc. She can hold them, feel their weight, see how they fit her hand, check the sight pictures out, rack the slides, open the cylinders, remove/insert magazines, etc.

And the real beauty is this: she gains experience in all this and is more apt to purchase something she is going to like. AND...this experience will guide her to any future purchases, because the true beauty is that buying ANY firearm does not represent a "failure" if it has aspects she turns out not to appreciate: she can ALWAYS get something else.

That experience will then guide her in any future purchases.

Look into a female firearms instructor, too.

And check this site out. It's written by and for women on the subject:

https://www.corneredcat.com/

My favorite page on that site for the subject of women racking semiautomatics:

https://www.corneredcat.com/article/running-the-gun/rack-the-slide/#comment-2949

Rack the Slide

By Kathy Jackson

“My wife can’t always rack the slide, so even though she wants a semi-auto, I am going to insist she gets a revolver.”

“I like my revolver okay, but I’d sure like to try a semi-auto. Problem is, I can’t pull the slide back.”

“I can almost pull the slide back, but not far enough to lock it open.”

“I’m not strong enough to do the slide …”

If I had a nickel for every time I have heard variations on that theme, I’d be a wealthy woman today. Despite this, it is my contention that healthy adult women who really-and-truly cannot be taught to rack a slide are very, very, very rare. I’m almost tempted to say there are none at all.

A lot of men who have shot for years have never learned how to rack a slide without using a lot of muscle. They have not learned the easiest techniques, because they haven’t needed to. As a result, when these men become informal instructors for their female loved ones, they don’t know what to do if a woman can’t just muscle the slide back in the same inefficient way many men do. Soon these men become convinced that “Women just can’t …” And their female loved ones buy the lie, thinking of themselves as too weak to run a modern firearm.


(It continues...check the link above.)
 
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I know my wife could get good with any weapon she wants to. But that's the key. She doesn't WANT to practice enough to be good with an auto or any other gun. She wants to be good enough for confident self defense and no more. So now she's got a gun she's comfortable and good with for minimal effort from her.
 
A j-frame for ANY new shooter, male or female, is a terrible idea. If I had a nickel for every guy who bought his wife a j-frame because of the “size” and “ease of use”, only to have her reject it, I would have Bill Gates coin...
 
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