Electronic hearing protection

I like the Howard Leight impact sports for field use. They are not what I use at the range as they are only 22dB. They don’t get in the way of cheek weld too badly. Batteries last forever and they help my bad hearing. They do amplify leaf crunch etc. I think I sound like a Trex going through the woods if the volume is way up.
 
I have been comparing ear protection. I'm comparing 4 different brands of electronic earmuffs or buds, Sordin Supreme Pro X Sim, Pro Ears Predator Gold, Prohears 030, and Walker Silencer Earbuds. I started shooting in 1966. No one back then gave hearing protection a second thought. Then on to pneumatics and other machinery and building race cars. I never wore hearing protection while working or hunting. Along with general hearing loss, I also have "shooters ear". Long story short, I need to wear hearing protection all the time where sound levels exceed or could exceed 85 decibels. I hunt all day and often listen to audio books or music while in the stand and wanted something comfortable with batteries that would last. The Sordins and Pro Ears are top of the line and extremely comfortable all day long, have good sound amplification and quality, and also do a really good job at the range. The Prohears are a bit light for the range, so I also used ear plugs. I could still hear speech etc. even with the addition of ear plugs.

My research indicated that the goal is to reduce the decibels to something less than 110. I could find all kinds of information about decibels levels from gunshots for various calibers but nothing about the decibel levels behind the gun where I'm at. So, I downloaded an app to my phone that measured decibels. I was shooting a Remington 7600 in 30.06. I placed the phone on the table below my head. It measured 110 decibels. The guy next to me was shooting an AR15 223 with a muzzle brake. I got 113-115 decibels from that. A gentleman shooting a 338 about 30 yards away measured 110 decibels. The average for the range was 95 decibels with spikes as noted.

Now the math made sense to me. The Sordin have a NRR of 24, the Pro Ears 26, the Prohears 22, and Walkers 24. So, if the gunshot is 110 decibels, the sound is reduced to anywhere between 84 and 88 decibels depending on what I wear. If I wear ear plugs under the muffs, I'll add another 5-7 decibels of protection. I don't know why, but you only get another 5-7 decibels protection from the highest rated protection used. So, if your ear plugs are rated at 32 NRR and your muffs are rated at 22 NRR, you might get to 37 NRR. I don't know why it works out that way, but I read the same from so many different sources that I beleive them.

For all day protection, 12 hours, all of the muffs were adequately comfortable for me. The Walkers were the most comfortable for me. Comfort is all in your head anyway. The Sordins are 100% waterproof, and I wore them on a rainy day. The Pro Ears have waterproof microphones. The Prohears and Walkers are "water resistant"-whatever that means. The batteries in the muffs will last hundreds of hours. The batteries in the Walkers with both enhancement and bluetooth audio running lasted 4 hours. The Walkers are only rated for 6-8 hours anyway. The best sound amplification and quality was from the Sordins and Pro Ears in that order and each have features that allow you to adjust the attenuation for hunting and the range.

Just a note on cheek weld. If I mounted the rifle properly (stock to head and not the other way around-the head does not move), I had no issues with all of the earmuffs.

Hopefully, this will help folks choose wisely. You do get what you pay for in this arena. Sordins are made in Sweden and the Pro Ears are made in the USA and have corresponding prices. Everything else is or seems to be made in China. You only have one set of ears.
 
My research indicated that the goal is to reduce the decibels to something less than 110. I could find all kinds of information about decibels levels from gunshots for various calibers but nothing about the decibel levels behind the gun where I'm at.
Look at good suppressor reviews. Most will have sound measurements of the guns fired unsuppressed in order to calculate the sound reduction of the suppressor.

Standard measurement locations are 1 meter (left or right) from the muzzle, and most reviews will also have a measurement at the shooter’s ear. Some reviews will even have multiple meters, showing the difference between a shooter’s left and right ears.

So, I downloaded an app to my phone that measured decibels.
Regardless of what the app might say, phones do not have the correct microphone to measure loud sounds. Most top out around 115-120dB before they’re useless.

Another factor is that the processing speed of the phone’s microphone is not fast enough to accurately read impulse sounds like a gunshot.

You need very specialized meters for impulse sounds that are at the levels of gunshots. In short, each of these meter/microphone setups is a few thousand dollars. Not the kind of thing a phone app is going to be able to compare to.
I was shooting a Remington 7600 in 30.06. I placed the phone on the table below my head. It measured 110 decibels. The guy next to me was shooting an AR15 223 with a muzzle brake. I got 113-115 decibels from that. A gentleman shooting a 338 about 30 yards away measured 110 decibels. The average for the range was 95 decibels with spikes as noted.
A .30-06 is not going to be 110 dB. A M1 Garand averages 168dB at the muzzle and probably high 150’s to low 160’s at the ear. I would expect a manually operated gun is within a few dB of that.

To give you a few examples of sounds in the 110 dB range:
A loud clap is 119dB
A finger snap is 104dB
A “briskly closed” drivers door on a Subaru BRZ is 104dB
A Ruger 10/22 bolt closing is 117dB
An AR bolt closing is 120dB



As mentioned above, look for “unsuppressed, at the shooter’s ear” numbers for guns you are interested in if you want to know how loud they really are. A phone decibel meter app won’t give you the right number.



Regarding electronic hearing protection, I had a set of Peltor Tac 100’s that were good for the money. Now I’m using Swatcoms (basically upgraded Sordins) and really like them. They use compression as opposed to cutting out when loud sounds trigger the electronics. Gel ear cups are a must. Night and day difference in comfort, especially if you’re wearing them all day.
 
TK, I appreciate your information. I ran your suggested search, and no joy. What I got was everything about suppressors. I also searched the accuracy of the phone apps. Not that internet knowledge equals actual knowledge, or even accurate information, but the information I found stated that the phone apps were "fairly" accurate. I'm not trying to perform an OSHA study. Obviously, I'm not a professional sound technician. For my limited purposes, the phone apps seem to be able to give me adequate usable information. I'm just trying to get a general understanding of the sound levels behind the gun and in the general area of a shooting range.

If the noise level is the same whether behind or in front of the gun (or relatively close), none of the usually available hearing protection would work; i.e. 168 decibels minus 30 NRR = 138 decibels. Hearing protection seems to be only as good as its passive rating. Your Peltor Tac 100s are only rated at 22 NRR. My Peltor Tac 6Ss are rated at 19 NRR. Your Swatcoms (at least the ones I looked up-Swatcom Active 8s) are rated at 18 NRRs. What I tested above had higher NRRs than either of those.

I appreciate what you're saying, but I still don't quite understand the context. There seems to be more than a few factors that differentiate hand clap and bolt closing decibel levels from those produced by gunshots together and the harmful effects of each. I also don't have the technical knowledge to intelligently discuss the matter in anything other than general terms. I'm just trying to understand the issue so I can protect what hearing I have left. I agree with you on the gel cups and have them on all but the Pro Ears (aren't available).
 
Luckily I used to be a professional sound engineer ;) not that my work was directly related to gunshots, but I can check the box for this particular conversation.

The short of it is that you used the wrong tool for the job and got very inaccurate readings because of it. If someone were to rely on your information and make reasonable assumptions from that point, they would very likely end up with serious, permanent hearing damage.
I also searched the accuracy of the phone apps. Not that internet knowledge equals actual knowledge, or even accurate information, but the information I found stated that the phone apps were "fairly" accurate. I'm not trying to perform an OSHA study. Obviously, I'm not a professional sound technician.
Phone apps can be acceptably accurate, but only within their design parameters and their physical (and software) limitations. Same thing for cheaper dedicated sound meters (or even some of the more expensive ones). They are normally designed to measure sustained, environmental sounds that are not loud enough to cause immediate hearing damage. Measuring high dB short duration (impulse) sound levels is a pretty niche area and you have to get very specific meters in order to get even remotely accurate measurements.

The mics that phones use are designed to max out at 115-120 dB because a phone in its intended use (even as a video recording device) has absolutely no need to be able to accurately record, measure, and represent loud and quick sounds. Some might say that it is actually a good thing that the phone doesn’t accurately replicate a gunshot. The microphones and processors used to accurately measure gunshots are very specific, expensive, and require regular calibration. And frankly they are so specialized that they are a bad option if you want just general sound measurement.

The fact that all of your readings were almost exactly the same indicates that your phone was just maxing out and effectively showing “this is the highest number I can show, so this is what I will give even though the actual sound was louder”. Alternatively your phone was missing the initial gunshot because of the short duration and only picking up the lower dB but longer duration echos.

Technically speaking there is a way to take a phone’s (or any sound meter’s) design characteristics and maximum accurate dB level into account and calculate a specific distance where the sound level will be in line with what the meter can measure. It’s been a while since I ran the numbers, but for a gunshot at 168dB (1M from the muzzle) to be reasonably below 120dB so that it can be measured by a phone, you need to be something like 300-400 meters away. And that still doesn’t get into the phone not measuring impulse sounds correctly.

Tone and duration are also very important when considering the human perception of a sound, and these are things that are not well represented by just looking at a max dB number. That’s why you can have a finger snap next to your ear (higher frequency, shorter duration) feel like it is harsher than a car door closing (lower frequency, longer duration), but still get the same peak dB measurement.

I don’t want to get even further into the weeds with this (there can be a lot of math and science involved) but there is no way that a reading of 115dB is an accurate representation of an unsuppressed rifle at the shooter’s ear.
For my limited purposes, the phone apps seem to be able to give me adequate usable information. I'm just trying to get a general understanding of the sound levels behind the gun and in the general area of a shooting range.
I’ll try to use some more comparisons and standards to try to illustrate my point. I’ll be talking a bit about suppressors here because that’s where a lot of my personal research and experience has been.

OSHA standard for an impulse sound being hearing safe is 140dB, and that’s where a lot of suppressor manufactures start making the claim as well. I know from personal experience that suppressed shots in the mid 130dB range (most supersonic ammo) is bearable but uncomfortable without ear pro. It really only gets comfortable around the mid- to upper 120dB range (suppressed 9mm pistol, subsonic ammo).

As mentioned in my last post, we also have readings for various sounds like snapping (104dB) and an AR bolt closing (120dB). These readings are from a high quality, professional, calibrated setup.

If we compare to your numbers with a high of 115dB, that would be saying that a gunshot from an AR15 is quieter than the bolt closing on the same gun.

Additionally, if someone were to trust the 115dB reading, that would indicate that being behind a gun would be completely hearing safe, and maybe even moderately comfortable for someone and would NOT require hearing protection. We know that is not the case. Shooting a gun while not wearing hearing protection is absolutely and immediately damaging to hearing.
If the noise level is the same whether behind or in front of the gun (or relatively close), none of the usually available hearing protection would work; i.e. 168 decibels minus 30 NRR = 138 decibels. Hearing protection seems to be only as good as its passive rating. Your Peltor Tac 100s are only rated at 22 NRR. My Peltor Tac 6Ss are rated at 19 NRR. Your Swatcoms (at least the ones I looked up-Swatcom Active 8s) are rated at 18 NRRs. What I tested above had higher NRRs than either of those.
I think you’re assuming that hearing protection makes gunshots completely safe from a hearing loss perspective. Unfortunately they don’t. They are a significant help, but they don’t completely eliminate all hearing damage. In addition to your ear canal, sound can also resonate the bones around your ear drum which can result in hearing damage. For example, depending on the sound your jaw could resonate and impact the sounds you hear. That’s one reason I prefer over the ear hearing protection as opposed to just plugs. It doesn’t completely eliminate the issue, but it does help. That isn’t always reflected in NRR ratings either.

Not to make this a whole dissection of the NRR rating process, but the average NRR number doesn’t tell the whole story. You really need to look at the frequency specific ratings.

For example, using the Swatcoms (and yes, the Swatcom active 8 is the right one) the NRR is 19 (18 is close enough) but that is an average for the entire tested range including low frequency sounds which are very difficult to reduce.

If you look at the frequency range of the peak for small arms (around 900-1500 Hz) those same Swatcoms actually have a mean attenuation of 26-27dB. And for the record, I bought the Swatcoms for the compression (not cut) technology, their low profile, and their ability to fit under a hemet. Sound attenuation wasn’t the only consideration.

I don’t usually like to direct to other forums, but NFATalk has a lot of good suppressor reviews and they take the time to break out unsuppressed information as well. I’d recommend taking a look at their metering data.
 
Wow. Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me. So, the Sordins have high frequency NRR of 26 and a low frequency of 18. The Pro Ears did not come with this information, but I might be able to get it from their website. The average NRR is 26. Both have different settings. Sordins go into 4 modes of communication, hunting, shooting range and focus that changes the frequency range. The Pro Ears are a bit trickier to change modes, so I'll probably leave as is-one general and the other hunting. This may be another loaded question but is it better to reduce the high frequencies or low or vice versa or it doesn't matter? I just couldn't get the math to work where my hearing does not get further damaged. I guess it just doesn't. I did assume that the hearing pro would get the sound down to acceptable levels that didn't damage your hearing.
 
So, the Sordins have high frequency NRR of 26 and a low frequency of 18.
The sordins actually have 39dB of reduction at higher frequency (4000 Hz). Gun shots aren’t really high frequency, they’re just high pressure and short duration.
This may be another loaded question but is it better to reduce the high frequencies or low or vice versa or it doesn't matter?
What matters is the sound reduction for the frequency range you want to protect against. The frequencies for rifles are different from lawnmowers which are different from cannons. It doesn’t really break down into a convenient “low” or “high” is better type of deal, it’s just matching the protection to the potential cause of harm.

Sordins go into 4 modes of communication, hunting, shooting range and focus that changes the frequency range.
Just for clarification, those four modes just relate to how the electronic amplification work. You still have compression of any sounds above a certain level, but the modes allow the electronics to handle the softer sounds in different ways. None of the modes change the level of protection.
 
Thank you for your help. BTW I did find three snippets of information of the decibel level at the shooter's ear. Pro Ears information states that for practical purposes, its the same. On another unrelated video, the folks actually measured it. The rifle was a AR 15. They measured 5-8 Dbs lower. Another unrelated article by other folks stated that 6 dbs was a good number to use. In other words, not a huge difference at all.
 
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I have a few pairs of electronic muffs, Howard Leight & Sordin's are definitely great bits of kit. I've also been very happy for several years with a behind the neck set of Pro Ears 2000's, and have been very disappointed for several years with several pairs of cheap Walker's muffs - they do the job and they're affordable so I can pass them out to students in training, but the omnidirectional detection leaves a lot to be desired, and wind compression isn't awesome.

I've come to greatly prefer in-ear electronic plugs, however, for several reasons. 1) They don't get pushed out of position when firing the rifle from odd postures, 2) they don't have the large plastic shell catching concussion from muzzle blast, 3) they don't squeeze my head like a pimple all day - lighter and less sweaty to boot... and 4) in-ear plugs tend to offer considerably increased NRR over muffs.

I almost always wear foamies or rubber plugs underneath when wearing muffs, just to get to the level of mitigation really needed to get muzzle blasts below hearing safe levels.

For in-ear, the Axils are good, Otto Noise Barriers are awesome. Caldwell Shadows are good, but the battery life absolutely sucks (they're about half the price of other cheap models, and WAY less than top end models). Walkers Silencer 1.0's and 2.0 non-bluetooth suck - the wind suppression is terrible in these. The Walker's Silencer 2.0 rechargeable Bluetooth and the Walker's Disruptors are great, and don't break the bank.
 
OSHA standard for an impulse sound being hearing safe is 140dB
And, that OSHA standard is "once per 8 hour shift" something far too many gloss over.

An employee on the apron of an airport might only be exposed to jet engine noise for 15 minutes out of every hour. But, since it's greater than once er shift and also > 100dB (IIRC) OSHA mandates hearing protection for ramp workers.

For @emb one of the pesky things about dB is that they are measured on a log scale, which can be tough on the human brain, as the difference between 1 and 10 is not ten, but an entire order of magnitude. So an NRR that is "10 better" is ten times better than merely "one better." So, choosing NRR 30 versus NRR 25 has significant "impact" on your hearing protection.

That log function is also part of how hearing loss winds up being insidious and cumulative. It's hard to notice the damage until it becomes severe.

It's also why virtually all the recommendations are to "double up" on plugs and muffs.
 
Capn, thanks. It's all a bit hard to understand without a good understanding of the science that I do not have. One of my criteria for the muffs was that while at the range, I wanted to be able to hear range commands and normal conversation while also wearing earplugs. I had no problem hearing range commands and talking with others with any of the three muffs I mentioned above.
 
One of my criteria for the muffs was that while at the range, I wanted to be able to hear range commands and normal conversation while also wearing earplugs.

Put electronic muffs over foam ear plugs. You won’t have any trouble hearing range commands.
 
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Phone apps? I once saw a guy pull out his Iphone and measured a 308 AR with a 16" barrel and a brake from about 7 feet off to the side and got 100 DB. Only about 75 off :(

Perhaps the newer ones aren't off by a factor of 10 million or whatever that works out to be- but phones and their internal hardware aren't up to the task of measuring gunfire.
 
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Varminterror, I could not hear range commands while wearing ear plugs and the Peltor Tactical 6Ss that I bought years ago. That and a recent hearing loss diagnosis are what prompted my search for new and better hearing protection. My takeaway from all this is that we may not be making intelligent and informed choices when choosing ear protection. I certainly didn't. By and large hearing protection is sold to us as "wear this and you're golden". I've found out that is not necessarily true. They are not all equal and offer different levels and manners of protection. Little thought is given to what protection you're buying, whether it's adequate for your needs, and will actually protect your hearing.

My hearing loss diagnosis motivated me learn more about the subject. Prior to that, I was like most. I just stuffed in a set of ear plugs without any understanding of the issue. I didn't like muffs because they were hot, got in the way and, in my ignorant mind, unnecessary. When not at a range, I didn't wear any hearing protection at all for years. The noise just didn't seem to bother me. Now, I want to be sure that I am doing what I can to preserve what hearing I have left. I've learned quite a bit here and hopefully some of the younger folks will too. We just didn't have this wisdom when I was growing up.
 
EMB, I agree with this wholeheartedly from your post above:"By and large hearing protection is sold to us as "wear this and you're golden".

Instead of the shooting community focusing on the critical imperative that "Gunfire is so loud that it can damage your hearing even with the most possible protection in some circumstances", we've got the usual marketing of various electronic gizmos backed by basic BS for profits. It's possible to carefully parse the risks and make sound choices and strategies but you said it... many people are damaging their hearing by sticking some fancy thing in there and then going to a range with dangerous sound levels nearby, possibly with modifiers that make it hundreds or thousands of times worse such as muzzle brakes, short barrels, Mosin M44's, overhead corrugated roofs, indoor ranges, etc. We've also probably all seen children standing next to these with hastily put in, single foam plugs or worse :(

The good ones will admit that you need double, max possible protection when wearing their items but you have to drill down and too many don't until it's too late.

Loss of hearing is a devastating, negative quality of life modifier and it's completely avoidable.
 
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we've got the usual marketing of various electronic gizmos
And, there's a lot of skipping over how much of the reported marketing numbers are due to the micro size of the speakers used, and what limits are built into their hardware.

And, the physics of sound are complicated. Sound is a wave-form, so it has three dimensions. Amplitude (how high above a baseline), Wave length (how far 'apart' as the waves), and Frequency (how often the peaks occur). Sounds from compression have the additional impetus of a pressure wave, which can induce input to auditory nerves by direct bone contact.

That latter is a key part of the auditory protection muffs provide (there's really tangential discussion on foam versus oil-filled muff pads, I think we can skip that here).
 
Sound is a wave-form, so it has three dimensions.

The 3 "dimensions" - really attributes - of the sound wave are Amplitude, Frequency, and Phase. Since sound has a constant speed for a given medium, wavelength and frequency are inversely proportionate, and aren't independent "dimensions." Frequency = speed / wavelength, and vice versa. (Naturally, there's also true acknowledgement that compression waveforms of sound ARE "3 dimensional," projecting around an axis of travel more like a string of pearls rather than an oscillating jump rope).
 
The 3 "dimensions" - really attributes - of the sound wave are Amplitude, Frequency, and Phase. Since sound has a constant speed for a given medium, wavelength and frequency are inversely proportionate, and aren't independent "dimensions." Frequency = speed / wavelength, and vice versa. (Naturally, there's also true acknowledgement that compression waveforms of sound ARE "3 dimensional," projecting around an axis of travel more like a string of pearls rather than an oscillating jump rope).
An excellent point. And, I was simplifying a bit, as material changes abound as we address hearing protection equipment. Mea culpa.
 
nothing about the decibel levels behind the gun where I'm at. So, I downloaded an app to my phone

Sorry, but the app measures continuous instead of the type of sound from a gunshot and the mic on the phone isn't responsive enough. The numbers given won't be useful in hearing protection consideration.

To protect your remaining hearing using muffs over plugs is important. Hearing range commands is a matter of how loud you can turn the volume up and hear someone through the plugs. The better electronic muffs will usually accomplish that.

I'm an occupational safety professional and I only buy electronic muffs from the industrial hear pro manufacturers, MSA-Sordin, Howard Leight, or Peltor, because their quality control and testing has to be rigorous.
 
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As far as electronic Muffs go, there are 2 Basic kinds:
-All sound cuts out with presence of loud noises (old Caldwells did this, along with other old models).
-Only the loud sounds are cut out - Walker, Leight, probably more.

I would only go for the second kind now - all the old ones have been tossed.

I have used Howard Leight Impact Pros for years. I like them, except for the ability to get on a scoped rifle comfortably without opening the earmuffs a bit.

I also have Howard Leight Sports, and they shoot scoped rifles well, but they don't work as well.

I got some Walker Razors since I am an RSO and need to use the attachable walkie talkie modules for events...but the things don't turn off if you take them off. I got spoiled with the Howard leights - change batteries once every 6 months whether you turn them off or not. Razors...leave them on and the batteries die. The nice thing about the Razors is you can "jack up" the volume to louder than the noise is normally (except gunshots, etc.). This sounds counterintuitive, except it allows you to put in earplugs and still hear conversations. If they turned themselves off if unused they may be perfect.....

If you get ANYTHING look on Amazon or wherever you shop for Gel replacement inserts. They are more comfortable (especially with glasses) and seal better.
 

No go. Wind suppression sucks, but more frustratingly, the batteries are air catalyzed and drain whether you're using them on not, so you're replacing kind-of-expensive batteries every match.


TLDR: Out of this amazon listing, ONLY get the 2.0 Rechargeable Bluetooth models - do NOT get the non-BT model.

This listing just says "Silencer Rechargeable Earbuds," but the link includes multiple options: the 2.0 Rechargeable Bluetooth are good to go. The 2.0 RC BT's are good to go.

The 1.0's RC or not and 2.0 RC but NOT BT suck for wind suppression. We went through 2 pairs of the 2.0 RC Non-BT before we got to our latest set (Walker's did pretty easy exchanges) because one ear or the other would die after about 3 hours, the 3rd pair DOES last all day at matches, usually - but in all 3 pairs of the 2.0 RC Non-BT's we have had, the wind suppression absolutely sucks. These will also make you think they've died because they go to sleep after some amount of time - but getting them to reactivate is kinda weird. Since you can't see the battery level and can't control volume on the phone like the BT model, they can be frustrating. Toggling between the different compression modes is super frustrating since they don't connect to phone.

The 2.0 RC BT's are good to go - that's what I wear to most matches, and we bought another set for my wife to replace her 2.0 RC Non-BT's. I'm fairly confident these will make it through 2 match days without recharging - even without replacing into the charging case, although I'm not quite certain I think I could get 4 total match days (the case is SUPPOSED to have a full charge again of the plugs, but I'm not 100% sure I've experienced that). I've been using mine for ~3yrs, my wife's are about a year and a half now. Both are much better wind suppression than the non-BT model, and we've had no battery drain issues (which is SUPER strange, because they look identical, I can't believe they'd have different charging or battery in them - but 3 pairs vs. 2 pairs, and the difference is real).

My ONLY complaint is that every now and then I'll double tap the earbuds inadvertently and that triggers my phone to start BT playing music, but double tapping again doesn't seem to pause it, so I have to pull my phone out to shut it off.

Clear Voice is the best mode we've found for matches.

Really like these, recommend.


Good to go. We got a set of these at the beginning of last season for my son. I've worn them a lot. They're a little more svelte than the Silencers, battery life seems great, but so far I'm not certain I think these would make it quite as long as the Silencer 2.0 RC BT's. I have forgotten to put my Silencers back in the charging case overnight during a 2 day and end up relying on them to make it through the entire second day too - I forgot to put my Disruptors back into the case after a 1 day last year and my son wore them to the next 1 day a week later, and they didn't make it through the entire day... My son put a foamie in one ear and put the dead one back in the case, after about a half hour, he put it back in and it made it through the rest of the match (relayed the other one for the same amount of time in the case). Maybe that was phantom drain over the week, but it made it about 15 stages, instead of 20, when separated by a week. But the case DOES charge the plugs relatively quickly it seems.

I like the form factor of the Disruptors better, and increasing or decreasing volume is a lot more natural, and putting them in and taking them out, or adjusting them in the ear without activating or deactivating is better. I'm more used to the Silencer 2.0 RC BT's more than the Disruptors, so I'm biased, but I probably honestly like the Disruptors better.

ETA - these are more kinda like Airpods, so they come with rubber tips for comfort listening, but they do NOT offer hearing protection when using these rubber tips. I don't use mine, not sure I want to cycle my Ear Pro batteries every day for meetings or music, but it's a feature they have that the Silencers don't.

Really like these. Recommend.

I wear my Disruptors and my Silencers when using small engines for lawn/yard/farm work, and when I'm running tractors for long strings, or running chainsaws, as well as any of my range or match time.
 
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I can only speak to the Walker Silencer 2.0 BT. I've used these for the last year and 1/2. I did not like the stock ear foam. I just could not get them to stay in my ears. They seemed to just work themselves out. YMMV. I replaced the stock ear foam with Comply Professional Noise Isolating Earphone Replacement Tips. They're a little longer than the stock ear foam, seem to go into my ear canal further and seal in my ears better than the stock foam, are more comfortable than stock for long periods of time, and stay in place while moving around a course of fire. The only downside is that they don't come in a variety size pack, but they are pretty cheap.

As I mentioned above, I need to wear ear protection when hunting. With BT and audio on, the batteries lasted about 4 hours (I listen to audio books to help pass the time). At competitions I've used them all day with just audio (BT). I also shoot weekly at a covered outdoor range and used them regularly there. They are rated at 24 NRR and seemed to do a good job provided I'm not shooting next to a 50, 338, etc., or any rifle with a muzzle brake. For the reasons I've stated above, I want more protection while at the range. I will continue to use them while hunting.

I've got turkey hunts coming up where I'll only be using the audio feature. Hopefully, that will get me the rated battery time. Other folks have stated that the batteries last 10-14 hours for them in the audio mode. The case does charge the units back up pretty quickly. Walker's information states that these are water resistant, but there is no IP rating I could find. The phone app works well. I use the app only to set the units up. I do not try and control the units from the buds themselves other than on and off. I'm not fan of using these for phone calls etc., nor do I care to do so. I'm old, not real techy, and I'm ok with being more than 5 feet away from my phone.
 
Walker's information states that these are water resistant

I’ve not worn my Walker’s while practicing my backstroke, but I’ve worn them at matches in heavier rain than I really wanted to be in while shooting. I’m largely convinced that my ears just aren’t a part of my body that I let get terribly wet.

I’ve never considered whether my electronic muffs are waterproof either, but I’ve had a few different pairs in rain bad enough that we couldn’t see 600yrd targets. I generally pack rain jackets, but I’ve been stuck in matches with just a hoodie.

So whatever the water resistance rating might be to correspond to “standing in a field in pouring rain with a soaked hoodie,” everything I have used is so rated. No comment on the water resistance of the charging case - I keep a rain fly or a trash bag around my pack to keep them dry.
 
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