Thanks--The nearest "club" in my country would be roughly 300 miles, maybeso more. I was afraid of the "purchase factory" suggestion. I may have to go there, but it's really against my principles! I'm well beyond 60 summers, I've shot a lot of both rifle, shotgun, and pistol over the years, and THE ONLY factory shells I have ever bought (excluding .22 Rimfire) were 16 gauge for exactly the same reason. Since 28 ga and .410 are used in skeet, I thought that there might be a market of once fired's. Back when I shot ATA trap a lot, I wore out an estimated 50K AA's and Fed papers (I'm talking each) and still never bought a loaded shell! I don't shoot a lot anymore, but I've still got 3 55 gallon drums full of once fired AA's (the old, American made ones), not to mention about 3K STS once fired, green and gold. I started collecting those when the AA hull quality went to hell. I reckon they'll haul them to the dump about the same day they haul me off to a hole. I've bought lots of rifle and pistol brass, and 10 ga and 20 ga hulls, but except for that 16 ga, no loaded ammo. The thought just hurts! I guess I may have to get used to it!