Euroarms guns are amazing

[Blackpowderwarrior]

The last three ive had were perfect.
Everything from chamber to bore alignment, to proper timing.
The steel even feels quite a bit harder then my ubertis or piettas.

Here is my newest aquisition.

A new model navy. The frame is noticeably smaller then my pietta, actual by a great deal.

Ive never heard bad things about euroarms, though ive never heard much often then a few old timers say yhe quality of the steel was good and the guns worked.

I'm just surprised they arent spoke of much around here, I'm aware theyve been outta business a while.

 

[hawg]

Euroarms formerly Armi San Paolo are good guns. They're much closer to the original dimensions than Pietta and Uberti.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

Euroarms formerly Armi San Paolo are good guns. They're much closer to the original dimensions than Pietta and Uberti.

I didnt realize how much smaller they were. The picture of my new model navy doesnt really do it justice. Its a Early Armi San Paolo has the DGG stamp under barrel

 

[AlexanderA]

A new model navy. The frame is noticeably smaller then my Pietta, actual by a great deal.

I've never heard bad things about euroarms, though I've never heard much often then a few old timers say the quality of the steel was good and the guns worked.

"Euroarms" was more a marketing arrangement than a factory. For example, I have a Euroarms New Model Remington which was actually made by Armi San Paolo.

In the picture below, the ASP (Euroarms) is at the top, compared to the Uberti, which is at the bottom. The quality of the ASP is quite high, although the dimensions are a little more delicate than those of the Uberti. The ASP also has some Remington-Beals features, such as the covered threads at the rear of the barrel, which are not present in the Uberti. Both revolvers take the same Howell conversion cylinders.



I also have a Euroarms M1861 Springfield musket, which is identical to my M1861 made by Pedersoli. These were obviously produced on the same tooling.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

@hawg do you know if there's any truth about guys who say the metal is heat treated?

"Euroarms" was more a marketing arrangement than a factory. For example, I have a Euroarms New Model Remington which was actually made by Armi San Paolo.

In the picture below, the ASP (Euroarms) is at the top, compared to the Uberti, which is at the bottom. The quality of the ASP is quite high, although the dimensions are a little more delicate than those of the Uberti. The ASP also has some Remington-Beals features, such as the covered threads at the rear of the barrel, which are not present in the Uberti. Both revolvers take the same Howell conversion cylinders.

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I also have a Euroarms M1861 Springfield musket, which is identical to my M1861 made by Pedersoli. These were obviously produced on the same tooling.

Beautiful revolvers you got there brother. What year was your ASP made? Any idea on the twist of the rifling in your 44?

I need to look at mine again tonight, from what i remember mine is somewhat straight for a bit almost like gain Twist. Either that or its a real slow rwiat

 

[hawg]

Armi San Paolo changed their name to Euroarms when the factory moved. When Euroarms closed their doors Pedersoli bought the tooling. ASP/Euroarms are more delicate because Uberti is bigger than originals where ASP/Euroarms are the same size or very close to it. Pietta's are elephants compared to ASP.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

@hawg I test fitted some bullets I have on hand and oddly enough the Lee .375 round nose bp bullet dropped to the bottom of the chamber.
The eras gone colt bullet fit perfectly and would get swaged down a tad upon entering the chamber.
I mainly shoot roundballs but I'll try it out with the colt bullet

 

[AlexanderA]

ASP/Euroarms are more delicate because Uberti is bigger than originals where ASP/Euroarms are the same size or very close to it.

Just comparing my two Remingtons (shown in the picture above), it's not that the ASP is smaller than the Uberti in overall size. The major dimensions -- length, etc. --are the same. (The ASP looks smaller in the picture because of the camera perspective.) It's that the Uberti is more robust in certain parts. This is particularly noticeable in the top strap and in the lower part of the frame below and to the front of the cylinder.

I feel more comfortable putting a conversion cylinder in the Uberti because of its greater reserve strength. Although I'm sure the ASP's strength is adequate as well.

What year was your ASP made? Any idea on the twist of the rifling in your 44?

The ASP dates from the mid-1980's, when I was doing Civil War reenacting. The Uberti is somewhat newer. I have no idea as to the rifling.

 

[dave951]

The only musket I disposed of was a Euroarms. Try as I may, it wouldn't shoot to my satisfaction.

 

[AlexanderA]

The only musket I disposed of was a Euroarms. Try as I may, it wouldn't shoot to my satisfaction.

My main criterion was authenticity (how close it was to an original). In this regard, the Euroarms M1861 musket was second only to the Miroku. Neither is made any more, although the current Pedersoli is made on the Euroarms tooling but with lesser quality control. The least-authentic M1861 is the Armi Sport, although, strangely, the Armi Sport M1842 is extremely authentic (except for the trigger guard). (I had to resolder the bayonet lug on my AS M1842 because it was in the wrong place.)

 

[Danaidh]

Gentlemen. I am no expert on Remington sizes. ERAS GONE did a you tube on comparing the sizes of the different Remington manufactures as compared to the original Remington.

The video is called: 'A Tale of Two Remingtons'
Eras gone says the Pietta as currently manufactured seems closest to the original according to the measurements that they acquired.

Check out the video.

Below is a not so good picture of their findings.

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

I've always liked the ASP Revolvers and consider them to be worth a premium over Pietta and Uberti all other things being equal.
I agree that they seem to be more authentic in their dimensions and find them to be more naturally pointable even if there isn't any room for a pinkie finger.

 

[hawg]

even if there isn't any room for a pinkie finger.

There's not supposed to be. There might have been back in the day considering the smaller stature of most men but most people today curl the pinky under the butt.

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

There's not supposed to be. There might have been back in the day considering the smaller stature of most men but most people today curl the pinky under the butt.

There are plenty of folks who complain about C&B revolver grips being to small for big hands and such.
If you get over trying to fit your pinkie on the grip it all works out beautifully.

 

[woodnbow]

It’s the fact that there’s no room for my fat finger, it’s squoze between the trigger guard and the grip frame. I like them just fine with mouse fart loads but heavier conicals and full charges just suck from the Remingtons. It’s the bone on brass that I don’t care for and I’m not generally recoil shy with anything else.

 

[dave951]

My main criterion was authenticity (how close it was to an original). In this regard, the Euroarms M1861 musket was second only to the Miroku. Neither is made any more, although the current Pedersoli is made on the Euroarms tooling but with lesser quality control. The least-authentic M1861 is the Armi Sport, although, strangely, the Armi Sport M1842 is extremely authentic (except for the trigger guard). (I had to resolder the bayonet lug on my AS M1842 because it was in the wrong place.)

I also used to be a reenactor, but in the N-SSA, I don't have to march, stand formations, or sometimes play dead in the hot sun. Now it's get to the firing line with enough live ammo to make it through a rapid fire relay.

 

[AlexanderA]

I also used to be a reenactor, but in the N-SSA, I don't have to march, stand formations, or sometimes play dead in the hot sun. Now it's get to the firing line with enough live ammo to make it through a rapid fire relay.

There is / was a big difference between "reenactors" and "skirmishers" (target shooters). (Some overlap, but not much.) And then the reenactors are divided between "hard core authentics, "mainstreamers," and "farbs."

There's typically a progression of a participant toward more and more authenticity, until a person finally burns out entirely and gives up the hobby.

I used to participate not only in Civil War reenacting, but also Revolutionary War, WW1, and WW2. For me, it was mostly an excuse to collect all the weapons and gear. Still have all the stuff, and more.

 

[dave951]

There is / was a big difference between "reenactors" and "skirmishers" (target shooters). (Some overlap, but not much.) And then the reenactors are divided between "hard core authentics, "mainstreamers," and "farbs."

There's typically a progression of a participant toward more and more authenticity, until a person finally burns out entirely and gives up the hobby.

I used to participate not only in Civil War reenacting, but also Revolutionary War, WW1, and WW2. For me, it was mostly an excuse to collect all the weapons and gear. Still have all the stuff, and more.

When I was doing ACW reenacting, our group tended towards the more authentic. After a while, the spectator battles got boring and I rather do living history.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

The .390 rb mold come in last night. I casted up a few hundred balls up. Went to put them in my gun and they fit perfectly the shaving a small sliver of lead and I'm excited to try to fire it

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

Here is the euroarms new model navy loaded with 30 grains 3F Old Eynesford Goex with plenty of room to spare.

This bad boy is gonna be a fine shooter.
@woodnbow @Jackrabbit1957
@45 Dragoon

 

[woodnbow]

Here is the euroarms new model navy loaded with 30 grains 3F Old Eynesford Goex with plenty of room to spare.

This bad boy is gonna be a fine shooter.
@woodnbow @Jackrabbit1957
@45 Dragoon

Dang! That’s gonna pop!

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

Dang! That’s gonna pop!

Hell it took a .390 round ball and had even more room to spare. Could probably take 35 and a round ball or 30 and a conical

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Should speak with authority.

 

[woodnbow]

Hell it took a .390 round ball and had even more room to spare. Could probably take 35 and a round ball or 30 and a conical

Have you checked the bore size?

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

Have you checked the bore size?

Not yet but I did find my digital caliper today so I could