Evaluate my AR build please

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JayPee

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Recently I realized an ambition I've had for a number of years to build an AR carbine that, really, I consider to be more of a short rifle. Well, it's finished and all that remains to do is to outlive the second ice age and go test fire it.
But before doing so, I'd like to ask you fellows for some help in evaluating the defensive reliability of my new rifle. First, here's what it looks like....it is a mid-length upper receiver assembly mated to an A3 rifle lower receiver assembly.

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In the hands of a six foot tall, 190 pound shooter

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The rifle by itself

As most of you probably know, there has been a goodly amount of criticism of certain makers of AR 15 rifles and components in recent years. Gone are the days when an AR 15 was an AR 15. It seems that a lot of the entry level makers, including some very big names, were taking liberties with the term “Milspec” in order to turn out more profitable guns. Some have had the idea that Milspec merely refers to dimensional interchangeability of parts and did not know that it also stipulates materials, finish, required test procedures, and so on. Some makers were even taking such broad liberties with testing requirements that they weren’t testing some of their components except on a “batch testing” basis. One maker, for instance, produced a number of rifles in which the bolts hadn’t even been heat treated and which failed immediately.

The result of all this has been some real confusion about which guns are suitable defensive guns, which are best used as range toys, and which shouldn’t follow anyone home at all. Unfortunately this confusion has been exacerbated by well-meaning experts whose warnings were wrapped in a blatant preference for only high-dollar guns or, even worse, a specific brand of high dollar gun. So what is a good defensive gun and what isn’t? Actually, I’m as confused as anyone else. I'm convinced that the Colt, LMT, DanielDefense, Noveske, LaRue Tactical guns, all high dollar offerings, are good guns. But where's the quality cutoff? What will keep shooting when you need it to and what won't?

When I put together my little short rifle I jokingly called the AR 15 A2.5, I pored long and hard over this issue and did my best to use good, solid, components that came with strong recommendations from people I consider to be experts, including a long time SWAT supervisor – without breaking the bank. So if I may, I’d like to list the components I used in this build and ask you to appraise the self defense reliability capabilities of this little AR – based SOLELY on the components I used. I’m not interested in hearing about what would have been better, only that these components are/are not suitable for long-term defensive use and why. Here they are:

THE UPPER RECEIVER GROUP….is a mid-length assembly and was built by Spikes Tactical as an entire assembly. I did not build it. It has a 16” ChromeMolybdenumVanadium barrel with chrome lined bore and chamber and a 1:7” rate of twist. It is chambered for the 5.56mm NATO cartridge. It has the M4 barrel extension and feed ramps. The barrel is magnetic particle inspected and has the government contour. It has a chrome lined M16 full auto bolt carrier and the bolt is Carpenter 158 grade steel, shot peened, high pressure tested, magnetic particle inspected, and finished per Milspec. The extractor has a 5 coil spring, black insert, and Viton O-Ring, and the gas key is forged and chrome lined, its bolts are Grade 8 and well staked per Milspec. The handguard is a MagPul MOE with heat shield. The rear sight is a stand alone unit by LMT.

THE LOWER RECEIVER GROUP consists of a Spikes Tactical stripped lower receiver, a small parts kit provided by Armalite, a Rock River Arms two-stage match trigger, (which I have a long history with), Armalite ambi safety, MagPul MIAD pistol grip, A3 stock kit (stock, buffer tube, buffer, screws) by Rock River Arms, a replacement “Tuned,” 7% stronger buffer spring by JP enterprises. Good quality magazines will be used in it, mostly Milspec D&H and NHMTG units with Gen IV MagPul followers in them.

Visually, every component I used demonstrated excellent workmanship.

In essence I tried to build a very reliable defensive rifle that will do one hell of a lot of shooting without breaking down, and at a reasonable cost, which was almost exactly $1,000. Do you think I succeeded?

JayPee
P.S. - I could have shaved $195 off the price of this gun by using the Armalite trigger and safety selector that came in the small parts kit, and by using a less expensive but perfectly good $50 rear sight instead of the $100 LMT sight.
 
the rock river 2 stage, last i looked, was only about $100. not sure where the savings came from unless they've doubled in price.

of the components you listed, the only one i'd be concerned about is that trigger. i have one with over 20,000 rounds on it and no malfunction, but i've heard of so many others who have had an issue that it remains suspect afaik. it feels good though and if you're just shooting light schedule and you check it every so often, it's probably not a big deal. but if you're really that concerned about reliability, then go back to the stock trigger.

JP makes good stuff, but "tuning" it is specific to your rifle, which is a fairly rare configuration.
 
no plastic folding stock to make noise or break,cleaning kit/spare parts storage in stock.stock is strong enough if you have to use it as a weapon.does the pgrip have spare parts storage?

how does it shoot at 100 yards
 
Thank you Taliv. Like you, I've used the RRA match trigger quite a lot and have a lot of confidence in it. But I am prepared to go to something like the Spike's Battle Trigger at the first sign of trouble with it.

dprice3844444, I haven't been able to shoot it yet. And yes, it has storage in the pistol grip.

Thank you gents for your comments.

JayPee
 
I've come to this conclusion recently: these rifles are a lot like automobiles of the day-what you feed em and how you take care of em matters more than a brand name. (Heads exploding........now!)

Shoot it, tear it down, clean it, repeat. Keep notes on ammunition failures/tighter groups/etc..Look for shiny wear spots and add more grease there, keep magazines clean. Enjoy.
 
WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOUR RIFLE- It's a very simple, straighforward configuration. Nothing added that will end up ditched because after shooting the rifle, the geegaw proved to be useless. Mid-length 16" barrels are reliable, accurate, handy and very versatile. The bolt is shot peened, something that's far more important than HPT/MPI. You made sure to get good mags. Sights are solid.

WHAT I DON'T LIKE- RR 2 stage triggers have a history of inconsistent case hardening. Some last a long time, others wear quickly. I read a post written by a guy in charge of the loaner rifles for Junior Service Rifle match shooters. The rifles were equipped with RR 2 stage triggers and many needed replacing after a season. After they were replaced by Geiselle triggers (which I think were donated) he never had trouble with the triggers again. This doesn't mean I think you have get a G trigger. A good standard AR trigger will serve just as well for a defense carbine

WHAT I THINK IT NEEDS- Every rifle should have a sling. I'd add a two point sling.

It's important to be able to identify your target. You don't want to be shoting at shadows and you need to be able to identify threats as quickly as possible. A weapon light gives you a big advantage. I'd get a weapon light.

WHAT I WOULD CHANGE- I would add a good RDS when I could afford it. They let you get on target quickly and the dot is easy to see even on a dark background. I would also replace the fixed rear with a folder.

I prefer a collapsing stock. It lets me shorten the rifle to a more convenient length when transporting it. This is simply a personal preference.

WHAT I WOULD ADD- Magazines, lots of ammo and a carbine class. Go shoot!

Overall, you've done well (not that my opinion counts). The nits I've picked are just nits. I like what you've done. Very nice carbine!
 
Thanks guys. I guess I left out some details.

In order to maintain the look I'm after I have stuck with a black M1/M14 sling.

After a lot of advice today, I have to decided to swap out the RRA Match trigger in favor of an ALG ACT Combat trigger. Match triggers can carry civil liability risks when used in defensive guns, which this one obviously is. Besides, it has been known to break. So the match trigger goes to the squirrel gun.

I have a Vltor BCM Gunfighter charging handle on backorder at AimSurplus.

Thank you immensely for your comments. They are very helpful.

JayPee
 
I'd remove the o-ring. They're a solution to a problem that mid-lengths don't have. Nice gun. Like the A2 stock.
 
Clearly that AR isnt up to par. I dont see any extra rails, drum mags, lights, lasers, foregrips, sights mounted on other sights, bayonets, or other "tactical" crap clearly required by real operators....

Seriously though, you need a good sling.:)

Kind of reminds me of my little BCM. Just a basic, lightweight rifle (color looks off in the pic, weird).
 

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I'd remove the o-ring. They're a solution to a problem that mid-lengths don't have. Nice gun. Like the A2 stock.

Agreed. The O ring isn't needed with the less violent extraction of the middie and might make the extractor spring rate too stiff
 
You have just proved that you can get a quality rifle for under 1000 dollars. Now all you need is a good light and some good optics.
 
Sure, I would be more than happy to evaluate it for You. Send me a PM and I'll provide You with My FFLs address.
 
You nailed it, Jackal. I figured I'd be led off to the nutcase ward for having a rifle that won't open bottles, calculate your taxes, send the Batman logo into the clouds, or play music. It's a RIFLE fer Pete's sake!!

JayPee
 
Nice and straight forward AR! If ever there is even a remote chance of it serving as a defensive firearm I would consider adding a simple compact light. Most come with their own mounts and can be easily detached when desired.
 
Looks like a good rifle and from the parts listed, it should be nice and reliable. From what I understand, when building ARs the part most likely to have issues is a home built upper, which you fixed by buying a complete upper from a reputable company. Though I will say that you can't really know how reliable your rifle is from a parts list. Go take it to a carbine course and run a thousand rounds through it and let us know how it does!

FWIW if you're using this as a defensive rifle, I would add a light and a red dot sight if you can swing the extra cost. Those both provide you with definite advantages over a stripped rifle and are well worth the extra cost and weight.
 
the rock river 2 stage, last i looked, was only about $100. not sure where the savings came from unless they've doubled in price.

of the components you listed, the only one i'd be concerned about is that trigger. i have one with over 20,000 rounds on it and no malfunction, but i've heard of so many others who have had an issue that it remains suspect afaik. it feels good though and if you're just shooting light schedule and you check it every so often, it's probably not a big deal. but if you're really that concerned about reliability, then go back to the stock trigger.

JP makes good stuff, but "tuning" it is specific to your rifle, which is a fairly rare configuration.

This ^^

Too many RRA triggers have an occasional failure to fire with harder military style primers, for example.

Spikes makes good stuff, and the two most important parts (barrel, BCG are by them. After that, I'd rank the FCG as the third most important, and personally I'd not want RRA there


Also, since you said defensive use...I'd SERIOUSLY consider a light and a sling.
 
"After a lot of advice today, I have to decided to swap out the RRA Match trigger in favor of an ALG ACT Combat trigger."

Great choice. I just installed one on my build and love it. I went back and forth over the RRA one, and now reading this thread, I'm glad I went with the ALG. I installed it with JP reduced power springs, but mine is meant to be a coyote killer, not for self defense. As some others have mentioned, it is nice to see a good quality, straightforward looking carbine build. I'd trust my life too your rifle (were it somehow in my possession).
 
The ultimate compliment and the kind of evaluation I was looking for, Woodworker74. Thank you very much.

JayPee
 
Match triggers don't carry a civil liability risk, when used in a weapon for s.d. purposes. That's sophomoric silliness. ;)

If the rifle suits you, then that's all that matters. I use and like JP trigger/hammer combos. Haven't tried the Geissele triggers, but I'd bet that they're excellent.

I don't like front sights. Also don't like A2 stocks, so my builds employ free float tubes, low-profile gas blocks and collapsible stocks.
 
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