Expect Ammo and Component Shortages
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sellersm
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And this from the guy at Tactical Defense Solutions:
A week or so ago I posted a Comm Center piece entitled Here We Go Again. In it I explained what we were about to see in the industry and cited other folks who were expecting the same things.
Since then the insanity escalation has jumped to full bore.
I called Stag Arms Monday to check on an existing order and got an answering machine. I got my call back this morning (Wednesday). The answer was an echo of what I'd received from YHM earlier this week - all new orders are backordered SIX (6) months!
YHM wont even take an order for lowers stripped or completed. Uppers are capable of being ordered but delivery can't even be quoted.
Part of the joys of running TDS is the daily phone calls to and from distributors. I'm hearing the same song over and over - no 5.56/223, AR's out of stock and ammunition supplies dwindling.
Aside from my advice from 4 years ago, that being to Calm Down, do yourselves a favor and learn to forecast. Figure out your projected needs over the next 6 months to a year and then plan to have that on hand. If you reload, now is a good time to put in an order with your favorite source. If you have courses or matches scheduled, get your supplies ordered.
If you absolutely have to buy your 17th AR in preparation for the end of the world, well your on your own.......
A week or so ago I posted a Comm Center piece entitled Here We Go Again. In it I explained what we were about to see in the industry and cited other folks who were expecting the same things.
Since then the insanity escalation has jumped to full bore.
I called Stag Arms Monday to check on an existing order and got an answering machine. I got my call back this morning (Wednesday). The answer was an echo of what I'd received from YHM earlier this week - all new orders are backordered SIX (6) months!
YHM wont even take an order for lowers stripped or completed. Uppers are capable of being ordered but delivery can't even be quoted.
Part of the joys of running TDS is the daily phone calls to and from distributors. I'm hearing the same song over and over - no 5.56/223, AR's out of stock and ammunition supplies dwindling.
Aside from my advice from 4 years ago, that being to Calm Down, do yourselves a favor and learn to forecast. Figure out your projected needs over the next 6 months to a year and then plan to have that on hand. If you reload, now is a good time to put in an order with your favorite source. If you have courses or matches scheduled, get your supplies ordered.
If you absolutely have to buy your 17th AR in preparation for the end of the world, well your on your own.......
Yep here it comes and guys can say what they want, beg and plead on the forums not to panic buy but when you have company's like Graf and Son posting this on there web site what do you think is going to happen? Lets face it why wouldn't the retailers and suppliers want to hype this stuff? It would make perfect sense for them to have guys posting on message boards getting the party started, they tend to make millions off the panic.
I heard speculation that retailers were going to see less sales after the last panic because everyone was stocked. Well from what I have seen there has been a steady flow of gun related purchases since then and this election will probably put the icing on the cake for an industry that never knows from one election to the other if they will be able to sell there goods.
I guess this is all good for us as more and more people are seeing the light and buying guns and gear, now we just need them to vote the right people in office if there is any right people.
I heard speculation that retailers were going to see less sales after the last panic because everyone was stocked. Well from what I have seen there has been a steady flow of gun related purchases since then and this election will probably put the icing on the cake for an industry that never knows from one election to the other if they will be able to sell there goods.
I guess this is all good for us as more and more people are seeing the light and buying guns and gear, now we just need them to vote the right people in office if there is any right people.
LiveLife
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I shoot a lot and although I usually have sufficient components on hand, the last "great shortage" made me irritated.
Since then, I have been buying extra components whenever I saw a good sale.
Another factor is that with the election year coming up, many may elect to stock up on components with tax refunds ... I think it will be simple supply-and-demand.
Since then, I have been buying extra components whenever I saw a good sale.
Another factor is that with the election year coming up, many may elect to stock up on components with tax refunds ... I think it will be simple supply-and-demand.
Waywatcher
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GLOOB said:
I love it. So true.
I might try to squirrel away some primers. They seemed to be the hardest thing to get last time, other than loaded ammo.
I am not trying to cause a problem, but after the last election, I worked at a gun shop.
It became a major effort to find ANYTHING to put on the rack. Some calibers and gauges were impossible to find for the better art of a year.
Many types of guns were not to be had.
I am not saying to prepare for the end of the world, but if you want to shoot this summer, buy ammo and components now.
It became a major effort to find ANYTHING to put on the rack. Some calibers and gauges were impossible to find for the better art of a year.
Many types of guns were not to be had.
I am not saying to prepare for the end of the world, but if you want to shoot this summer, buy ammo and components now.
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I think there is a lot of truth here. I was at a gun show recently and for the first time actually had to stand in line to get to the ticket purchasing booth. The place was packed and purchases were being made.
When someone buys a new guy, especially of a different caliber, they stock up on ammo just adding to the election year frenzy of ammo buying.
Old krow
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Good! Now let's talk them into buying some of the niche calibers to bring the prices of those down and we'll be set.
beatledog7
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I rarely buy loaded ammo anymore unless it's for the brass, but if I were in my LGS to buy the last couple of boxes of ammo, and a new brand new first-time gun owner needed it, I'd defer.
alsaqr
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The rush is on for guns, ammo and loading components. The end of the world as we know is coming in January, 2013. We know this because the scurrilous promotors of gun shows, the owners of ammo warehouses, pawn shops, gun shops; ad nauseum, have told us so.
armoredman
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I got the same message from Grafs, but haven't seen any shortages here, WalMart or at MidwayUSA. We'll see.
sweater914
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Nothing new here, I ordered a 5.5in Ruger Redhawk in August '11, it still hasn't been built, called and e-mailed Ruger multiple times. I finally received my CC permit and ordered an LCP, which hopefully will in something less than 6 months.
The manager of the LGS mentioned that many of his vendors have asked for pre-order confirmations through Sept. Good thing I'm stocked for most of the year.
The manager of the LGS mentioned that many of his vendors have asked for pre-order confirmations through Sept. Good thing I'm stocked for most of the year.
armoredman
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Hmm, and there is a limited edition LCP at my local pawnshop, one of 3000 Arizona commemoratives. They had a few LCPs on the shelves.
FROGO207
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Well if we could get all those new firearms owners to join the NRA and then vote responsibly this Nov we would have no problems in the future.
One of the local TV stations (Bangor ME) had a news story that an alarming number of handguns are flying off the shelves in recent weeks and they claim it is due to the Bath Salts problem we have locally. :banghead:
One of the local TV stations (Bangor ME) had a news story that an alarming number of handguns are flying off the shelves in recent weeks and they claim it is due to the Bath Salts problem we have locally. :banghead:jfrey
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Don't know if it is a sign of things to come but I was in Academy last week and their pistol counter was less than half full. They had a total of 3 Glocks when they normally stock a whole shelf of them. Not much else to look at either.
BullfrogKen
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Artificially drumming up business? Hardly.
I'm sitting here at the O'Donnell Supply Depot with about 30,000 assorted primers and 50 pounds of powder. Half of it will be gone by December. I'll start placing my orders now, thank you very much.
Just last week I placed an order at MidwayUSA for a 500ct box of Sierra .223 - 69 gr MatchKings. I was happy to get them. I tried to place an order for a 500 ct box of Sierra 80 gr MatchKings. They're out of stock. Go look for yourself. NOBODY that I normally deal with had them.
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The SR-1 targets I wanted were out of stock, came back in stock for all of 1 day yesterday, and out again.
This ain't drumming up business. This is a nice, friendly warning.
Supply lines are stretched thin, and everyone in this industry is at maximum production capacity. If you want to have what you need for matches this year, or a training class, or a few fun trips to the range this summer, either order now, plan your order very soon, or be at the mercy of the stockouts.
The signs for another drought in components are already here. Graf's is being nice telling us what they know to be true about the state of the market. But even with the advance warning, I'll bet I'll see people here in June bitching about the rampant stockouts.
And I'll link back to this thread without pity.
I'm sitting here at the O'Donnell Supply Depot with about 30,000 assorted primers and 50 pounds of powder. Half of it will be gone by December. I'll start placing my orders now, thank you very much.
Just last week I placed an order at MidwayUSA for a 500ct box of Sierra .223 - 69 gr MatchKings. I was happy to get them. I tried to place an order for a 500 ct box of Sierra 80 gr MatchKings. They're out of stock. Go look for yourself. NOBODY that I normally deal with had them.
Click the link
back ordered until May
The SR-1 targets I wanted were out of stock, came back in stock for all of 1 day yesterday, and out again.
This ain't drumming up business. This is a nice, friendly warning.
Supply lines are stretched thin, and everyone in this industry is at maximum production capacity. If you want to have what you need for matches this year, or a training class, or a few fun trips to the range this summer, either order now, plan your order very soon, or be at the mercy of the stockouts.
The signs for another drought in components are already here. Graf's is being nice telling us what they know to be true about the state of the market. But even with the advance warning, I'll bet I'll see people here in June bitching about the rampant stockouts.
And I'll link back to this thread without pity.
I think the rush has been on for a while. Firearms were a big item last Christmas and the female population has been buying them up in the last year or two way over the norm.
Guns are popular and are getting more popular. I kind of think it is a good thing.
Guns are popular and are getting more popular. I kind of think it is a good thing.
PapaGeno21
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It is a great thing getting all new people into the hobby, just sucks when you have to stock up. I just ordered 14K primers from wideners. I never normally have more than 2k on hand but I am not goign to be dealing with a shortage. Bullets will be ordered next week for enough for two years, already have enough powder.
Too bad things can't just stay consistent and we don't have to go nuts and drop a ton of money at once. But what are ya gonna do.
Too bad things can't just stay consistent and we don't have to go nuts and drop a ton of money at once. But what are ya gonna do.
thefamcnaj
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I went to the local gun shop last week to by either .223 or 5.56 to go plinking with.
The owner said he had 8 boxes of .223 and that was it, so I bought all 8 boxes. He went on to tell me that his supplier told him to go ahead and order what he wants because ammo was going to get tight.
At first I thought that he was just trying to scare tactics to boost sales, taking advantage of South Carolinas proposed assault weapons ban.
So I left and went to three wal marts and they were all sold out. Then I went to academy Sports and all they had was hornady tap. I'm trying to not buy into the hype but I must admit I'm a little nervous. Its an election year, and SC is proposing the ban.
The owner said he had 8 boxes of .223 and that was it, so I bought all 8 boxes. He went on to tell me that his supplier told him to go ahead and order what he wants because ammo was going to get tight.
At first I thought that he was just trying to scare tactics to boost sales, taking advantage of South Carolinas proposed assault weapons ban.
So I left and went to three wal marts and they were all sold out. Then I went to academy Sports and all they had was hornady tap. I'm trying to not buy into the hype but I must admit I'm a little nervous. Its an election year, and SC is proposing the ban.
35 Whelen
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I've never been an AR fan, but last October I noticed dealer price at Midway for a Del-Ton kits was $390, with lowers under $100, instant AR for less than $500. I did it. Now Midway is out of Del-Ton kits and they've jacked the price up to $439, at 12% increase. Likewise Del-Ton has increased their prices from a little over $400 to $470. Supply and demand, boys.
One way to fight this is to shoot something OTHER than .223 or 7.62x39. I have a few hundred pounds of lead, plenty of moulds, plenty of large rifle and large pistol primers, and Red Dot is always available, so I'll bee shooting .30 caliber cast alot until this round of silliness blows over.
35W
One way to fight this is to shoot something OTHER than .223 or 7.62x39. I have a few hundred pounds of lead, plenty of moulds, plenty of large rifle and large pistol primers, and Red Dot is always available, so I'll bee shooting .30 caliber cast alot until this round of silliness blows over.
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I remember hearing Black Friday (day after Thanksgiving) was the single largest day for background checks on gun buys. So this buying thing has been on a while. LM
I might buy a gun that stikes my fancy, but I have enough bullets, powder, and especially primers to last me well over a year. So I won't be caught short this time, and I won't be contributing to the frenzy. One LGS is charging $5/100 for primers. Wonder what they'll be in the summer.
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