FAIL: Mags falling out of PTR-91 GI
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No, they are not CETME mags.
They are HK marked and dated steel G3 mags. I'm going to order a spair mag catch ASAP and see if that helps.
I mean... shouldn't the rifle just be able to work with the magazines? I've never heard of anyone having to file down G3 magazine parts for them to work right...
Other than this issue, the gun is running 100%. Needless to say though, having half your magazines dump onto the shooting table during firing is not conducive to positive combat effectiveness!
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They are HK marked and dated steel G3 mags. I'm going to order a spair mag catch ASAP and see if that helps.
I mean... shouldn't the rifle just be able to work with the magazines? I've never heard of anyone having to file down G3 magazine parts for them to work right...
Other than this issue, the gun is running 100%. Needless to say though, having half your magazines dump onto the shooting table during firing is not conducive to positive combat effectiveness!
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Is it factory or was the catch added/modded after you bought it?
In either case, I would think a new one would fix the issue and is the way to go.
In either case, I would think a new one would fix the issue and is the way to go.
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Well, Bill Springfield added a paddle style magazine release to the rifle, which is what the original HK G3 rifle has. It works great, but I'm not sure if he modified the actual magazine catch when he installed the paddle. To be honest, I really didn't look at the mag catch that much since my factory aluminum magazine worked well in the rifle. When I got the gun back from Mr. Springfield, I also had the steel magazines that arrived in the mail, but those suckers sure didn't work to well in my rifle...
I can only hope that it's the magazine catch. I'm going to swap it out with an OEM German HK magazine catch and see what happens. If that doesn't fix the problem, I'll be in contact with PTR Industries.
I can only hope that it's the magazine catch. I'm going to swap it out with an OEM German HK magazine catch and see what happens. If that doesn't fix the problem, I'll be in contact with PTR Industries.
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No I called him but it went straight to voicemail. I'll call tomorrow.
Good to know on the mags. I have both, and have grabbed the wrong one not paying attention. thought I'd check.
On the Mags, yeah, for the most part they just work. 99% of the time. I've heard of folks having to adjust things like mag catch tolerances, but it's more common on home builds. Kinda depends on who stamped the flat, and how well it was folded to make a receiver. I'm still pretty sure a new mag catch will fix you up, as that rounding on yours is definitely weird. But there could be weirdness.
Bill shouldn't have had to mess with the mag catch to put the paddle in. I pulled mine out to make the cut in the receiver, but I probably could have done the whole paddle install with the mag catch in place if I had to. Either way you don't mod the catch itself.
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Right, hopefully all I'll need is to change the catch.
If not, who knows? Do you think maybe my magazine well might be too large or something really odd like that?
If not, who knows? Do you think maybe my magazine well might be too large or something really odd like that?
If the gun was working properly before it went off to Bill Springfield, but no longer is with otherwise the same parts, then I would suspect his work. The many terrible reviews I've heard about the guy are enough for me to avoid him completely.
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I know. I researched him before I sent the gun off, and came across a lot of positive reviews but in retrospect I've also uncovered a great many negative ones. I'm really second guessing his work, and advise anyone else reading this thread to thoroughly research Bill Springfield before having him work on your rifle or pistol.
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UPDATE:
Okay guys, I called PTR Industries and told them I had a paddle mag installed by Bill Springfield. They said that they recommend Bill Springfield and like his work, they are listed on Bill's website as recommending his services.
The very friendly technician from PTR told me that the front lip on the magazine might be bent inwards, keeping it from looking up into the chamber area. After getting off the phone, I tried to bend the front magazine lip (right in front of the bullet tips) but that didn't seem to help as the mags came out with downward pressure and just a slight touch on the magazine release button.
I then decided to look at the cutout on the magazine where the magazine catch engages the mag. Using a small screwdriver, I decided to pry on the upper lip of this cutout, and re-inserted the mag into the rifle. It now locks solidly in, and offers a bit of resistance upon removal. The mag no longer comes flying out when I tug on it while gently pressing the mag release button: it stays in very nicely. I can't say for sure weather or not it will keep the magazine from falling out during shooting, but if I had to guess I think it would. Still though, I shouldn't have to do this to all these magazines.
So, I think I'm drawing the conclusion the problem lies with the magazine catch and it's relationship to the cutouts on the magazines... something isn't right there. I don't think it has to do with the bent front edge of the magazine, as they all seem straight. I am really wondering if my magazine catch is defective. Many have said that it should not look like my pictures, it should have a squared-off appearance.
I am in the process of getting a new magazine catch, after install I'll take the rifle to the range and load each of my steel magazines up with 7 rounds rounds. The mag dropping issue was happening within 2-3 rounds, so if it passes the 10 round test it should be good.
If that doesn't work, I can only guess as to what is going on and will be calling PTR Industries again to see what we can do. Someone mentioned that perhaps my paddle magazine system is moving during recoil, causing the magazine catch to unlock. This might be so, and would like recommendations on how to remedy this if possible.
Thanks for all the help everyone!!
Okay guys, I called PTR Industries and told them I had a paddle mag installed by Bill Springfield. They said that they recommend Bill Springfield and like his work, they are listed on Bill's website as recommending his services.
The very friendly technician from PTR told me that the front lip on the magazine might be bent inwards, keeping it from looking up into the chamber area. After getting off the phone, I tried to bend the front magazine lip (right in front of the bullet tips) but that didn't seem to help as the mags came out with downward pressure and just a slight touch on the magazine release button.
I then decided to look at the cutout on the magazine where the magazine catch engages the mag. Using a small screwdriver, I decided to pry on the upper lip of this cutout, and re-inserted the mag into the rifle. It now locks solidly in, and offers a bit of resistance upon removal. The mag no longer comes flying out when I tug on it while gently pressing the mag release button: it stays in very nicely. I can't say for sure weather or not it will keep the magazine from falling out during shooting, but if I had to guess I think it would. Still though, I shouldn't have to do this to all these magazines.
So, I think I'm drawing the conclusion the problem lies with the magazine catch and it's relationship to the cutouts on the magazines... something isn't right there. I don't think it has to do with the bent front edge of the magazine, as they all seem straight. I am really wondering if my magazine catch is defective. Many have said that it should not look like my pictures, it should have a squared-off appearance.
I am in the process of getting a new magazine catch, after install I'll take the rifle to the range and load each of my steel magazines up with 7 rounds rounds. The mag dropping issue was happening within 2-3 rounds, so if it passes the 10 round test it should be good.
If that doesn't work, I can only guess as to what is going on and will be calling PTR Industries again to see what we can do. Someone mentioned that perhaps my paddle magazine system is moving during recoil, causing the magazine catch to unlock. This might be so, and would like recommendations on how to remedy this if possible.
Thanks for all the help everyone!!
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