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FEDEX doesn't ship firearms?

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gnaw_bone

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It may not be a firearm issue, and it may even be my fault; I did buy a new Phoenix HP22 and expect it to work out of the box. I would have sent it to the factory, but still have it. Phoenix is willing to fix it if I get it to them, but Fedex, despite their public policy, refuses to ship it.
This occurred at the Kinko/Fedex located near South Hill Mall in Puyallup, WA. The woman who described herself as the head shipper there refused to accept the pistol I'd prepared to return to Phoenix. I had previously rendered the gun totally safe, locking all the safeties and installing a magazine lock. The thing was safer than a claw hammer. I examined the Fedex requirements for firearm shipping on the internet and established with categorical certainty that I met their terms.
This woman, however, quoted bogus rules (which I set aside patiently), treated me like a leper, and refused, finally, to ship the pistol, because "I've been here for four years and we have never shipped guns."
I think I would have responded differently had she been civil or at least reasonable, but she treated me as a pariah; she lied to me and refused to conduct the business she was obliged to; and she simply behaved badly, insulting and angering me for reasons she didn't share.
What's worse, though, is when I emailed Fedex with the above account, they came back with the statement that they no longer ship firearms at all.
However, http://www.fedex.com/us/services/terms/us.html is where you click on the firearms button to see that they do; it's the same place I looked before I went to Kinko's/Fedex in South Hill with the darn gun.

I expect this has happened to many of us, but it's a first for me, and I don't know how to proceed. Another shipper, I guess, is the best, but there's this testosterone thing I need to address, and in fact, the Fedex/Kinko there is by far the most convenient for me.
Comments? Advice? Commiseration?

I'm new, actually, both to gun collecting and THR; I'm more liberal than not and old enough to know better; I quit smoking three months ago and still chew ten-penny nails, though not as aggressively or as often. Hi. Gnaw Bone is the name of a sleepy little town in the state where I grew up. :banghead:
 
WOW this is new news to me also. When I would run into problems I would make sure that the firearm was field striped and just tell them that I was shipping motorcycle parts. But don't try that your self, it may get you into deep do do.
 
Ha, tell that to the guy who delivered my CMP Garand to my door. In California, no less! :p
 
Put the gun in a box, drive to FedEx. Fill out the green FedEx ground form. Mark contents as "tool parts." It'll cost you $6.

Now I recently (6 months ago) shipped a pair of revolvers using FedEx. I actually declared the guns to the FedEx clerk. She told me they had to go overnight priority (even though the website says regular overnight is sufficient). Cost me about $50.

Shipping handguns has become a major PITA. The attitude and policies of FedEx and UPS practically beg for you NOT to declare handguns.

Kevlarman: it's a totally different game with handguns vs. rifles.
 
Like the above post said. You need to take it to a regular Fedex facility. I tried Fedex/Kinko's before and the said they couldn't do it.
 
No local shipping centers (Kinkos, UPS store, etc) will accept your firearms or ammo packages. You will have to take them to the main FedEx distrubution facility in your area, call Fedex to find the nearest one to you. UPS has the same regulations. You can also have a driver pick up the package at home for a fee. Remember that both UPS & Fedex require all handguns to be shipped via Overnight service, on the other hand long guns may be shipped Ground service. You do not need to state what the contents are in the package, unless it is ammo. I also believe that FedEx requires firearms to be dissembled in the box. The US Mail does not ship except handgun shipments unless you are a FFL Class 01 dealer, Federal, Military or Law enforcement. :D

Chuck,
 
cbsbyte pretty much nailed it.

Mailbox ect. and the like wont ship firearms. I take my shipments to the local Fedex distribution facility and have had no problems.
 
It must be Kinko's that's the problem

Most return invoices specifically state to use a fedex facility or other authorized Shipping Center excluding kinko's. They do have to be shipped FedEx Priority Overnight.
 
cbsbyte is right. Only the package distribution centers will accept a gun for shipping. UPS is the same way. But expect some confusion even at the centers as not all of the workers understand the rules and regulations regarding shipping.

The contract stores, Mailboxes etc, Kinkos, The UPS Store, or any other franchise outlet cannot accept guns for shipping. Not sure where the FedEx distribution center is in Puyallup, but there should be one out towards I-5 on the Tideflats.
 
You do not need to state what the contents are in the package, unless it is ammo.

Put the gun in a box, drive to FedEx. Fill out the green FedEx ground form. Mark contents as "tool parts." It'll cost you $6.

Sorry guys, it's a violation of federal law to not declare a firearm to a common carrier such as FedEx or UPS.

18 USC Sec. 922(e)

It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.
 
Sorry guys, it's a violation of federal law to not declare a firearm to a common carrier such as FedEx or UPS.

18 USC Sec. 922(e)

Read it more closely. Notification is not required when shipping to an FFL holder. You must notify the shipper if shipping to other than a licensee.
 
And the ATF FAQ at http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/qa.pdf doesn't make the distinction:
(B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her
own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be
used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be
notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract
carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package
indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A) and 922(e), 27 CFR 178.31]
 
Their answer to the FAQ is incorrect. I have two letters from BATF Hq confirming that notification to the shipper is not legally required when shipping to a licensee and admitting that their answer to the FAQ is not complete.
 
Could it have anything to do with the fact that Kinko's has never—not even once—done a photocopying job right for me?

I bet they overcharged you for it too! :)

Good post on the exemption for notification when shipping to an FFL . Even though their policy is overnight for handguns, I wonder what they could legally do if you didn't ship it overnight? Bar you from further shipping with them? Heck, they can't even find my house 1/2 the time, how are they going to remember who I am?
 
Good post on the exemption for notification when shipping to an FFL . Even though their policy is overnight for handguns, I wonder what they could legally do if you didn't ship it overnight? Bar you from further shipping with them? Heck, they can't even find my house 1/2 the time, how are they going to remember who I am?

They might disallow any insurance claims if you don't notify them of the contents since their policy requires notification.
 
Shipped my keltec su 16 back to the factory from a kinko's fedex. Shipped it ground too, $8.50 Also shipped a 1911 to an ffl from a local postal store using fedex and that was 2 to 3 day delivery to keep the cost down. Mark
 
I ship a lot of "machine parts". Just insure your boxes are gonna bust open and you'll be fine.
 
According to this off of the FEDEx site, it looks like you can't ship it to yourself if you are traveling:
FedEx Express can only accept and deliver firearms between areas served in the U.S. under the following conditions: (1) you agree to tender shipments of firearms to us only when either the shipper or recipient is a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, licensed dealer or licensed collector and is not prohibited from making such shipments by local, state or federal regulations; (2) the shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable state law.
Anyone have any more information on this?
 
When I go to the UPS Store to ship a firearm, the clerk calls the district office and checks if it's all right to accept. They have always said yes. I have only shipped long guns at this location though.
 
Just be aware that lying or purposefully omitting when claiming what you are shipping will almost certainly void any insurance claim you may have had if the shipment gets lost/stolen/damaged/whatever. If you're willing to take that risk so be it, it's not illegal by anything I've read. Worse case scenario you lose the value of your gun.
 
According to this off of the FEDEx site, it looks like you can't ship it to yourself if you are traveling:
FedEx Express can only accept and deliver firearms between areas served in the U.S. under the following conditions: (1) you agree to tender shipments of firearms to us only when either the shipper or recipient is a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, licensed dealer or licensed collector and is not prohibited from making such shipments by local, state or federal regulations; (2) the shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable state law.
Anyone have any more information on this?
A literal reading of the above policy would allow you to ship firearms to yourself when traveling if you have a C&R FFL, regardless of whether or not the firearms shipped are C&Rs.
 
On 4/12 I went to the UPS Store to ship a C&R rifle and the owner was there and refused to ship my gun. When I told him I've shipped before after the clerk telephoned for permission, he told me that he had an agreement with UPS that prevents him from doing this, that he's not going to risk losing his franchise over some customer service person in Atlanta granting permission & that the clerk was only trying to help me out but he wouldn't. Luckily, the area terminal isn't too far away. I guess it depends on who's working at the time.
 
The closest FedEx distribution center to you that I know of is in Kent. I just shipped a revolver back to Smith and Wesson for repair through FedEx. In the process, I also had to deal with a delivery driver who told me that she would NOT deliver a firearm to me, even one returned from a gunsmith.

She was adamant when I said it was perfectly legal. :rolleyes:

She almost had kittens when I told her how I shipped an M1A back to Springfield Armory for repair. :eek:

Of course, you ask--how did I do it? THROUGH THE US MAIL!!!!!

It is perfectly legal for you, the private citizen, to ship a long gun back to the manufacturer or a gunsmith for repair through the US Mail. I simply took mine to the Post Office, in a long well padded box. The rifle was also in a hard case inside the box.

I showed the clerk the bolt from the rifle, and then wrapped it in padding and stuck it in the box.

The box was sealed there, with paper banding tape (MUST be paper, to show tampering).

It was automatically shipped Certified Mail (the most secure postal method) to Springfield Armory. Total cost? About $28.00.

It's kinda anal why we can't do this with handguns.
 
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