Felons And Guns Revisited

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TallPine, think real hard about this...

The felons I work with don't have enough good judgement to be trusted with a gun, ever. But there are all kinds of felons, white collar types and the low-life types that have done terrible crimes, often more than once. Its not fair or accurate to lump ALL felons together, there is minimum security and maximum security. The ones in maximum security are the ones you should fear, most cannot survive on their own mainly because of their defective mental functions. Those few that learn skills in prison can't handle the stress of everyday life or the minimum wage jobs they will be lucky obtain. Do you really want to be the victim(s) that lands them back in prison? Do you really want to give this "waste matter" a weapon? Why support CCW and then allow these felons to own weapons? Are you looking for real-life targets? It doesn't make sense, its suicide.:fire:
 
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So just how did we possibly manage to survive in this country before the 1990s when background checks became mandatory ....?

Or before 1968 when anyone could order a gun through the mail ?????


Maybe we should also make it illegal for felons to possess illegal drugs...:rolleyes:
 
Tall Pine,

I agree. The Brady Bill is a saccharine, feel-good piece of legislation that doesn't even reduce violent crime by a fraction of diddly divided by squat. Even before this useless boondoggle was thrust upon FFL's it was a statistical fact that almost no guns used in crimes were purchased by the criminal at a gun store. As it is now, my gunsmith likes to say "80% of folks who get denied get it overturned on appeal; the other 20% just didn't try."

But, hey, if it makes people feel warm and fuzzy about striking a blow for Law And Order, then it must be worth it, no matter how many zillions it costs or how many people are needlessly inconvenienced. Most people don't get too upset about the background check until someone with the same name as them, or using their stolen SSN, commits a crime. Then watch 'em howl. :rolleyes:
 
I have to agree with Tallpine, too. I know I'll get accused of being impractical and idealistic and succumbing to the dreaded "all-or-nothing" but I think there can only really be citizens and non-citizens. Either you can vote, drink, carry a gun, sign a contract, get married, pay taxes, serve in the military, not be killed, not be subject to search without a warrant, own property, etc., or you can't. If shades of gray are allowd to exist, then the whole house of cards falls apart. I think the situation we are in today bears witness to this fact.
 
Do you really want to give this "waste matter" a weapon? Why support CCW and then allow these felons to own weapons? Are you looking for real-life targets? It doesn't make sense, its suicide.
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No, I don't want violent felons to have guns but how do you propose we keep them from getting guns? By making it illegal? Okay, done. Except they still get guns when they want them.

The "No guns for felons" laws do not keep guns from felons. They simply impose gun control on them. And gun control does not:

a) Make violent people non-violent
b) Keep people from killing eachother
c) Reduce crime

The only "felons" who will follow a "No guns for felons" law, are those who are inclined to follow the law. If they care about the gun laws, they probably care about the other criminal laws, and are not likely to be the type of people you'd mind having a gun.

It's just gun control with a twist, but with the same exact results. It sounds good, it "feels" good, and it make some people feel less "afraid" but it is a snow job.

It's JUST a gun. Just like it's just a knife, a bat, a fork, a stick, or a car until someone decides to use it in a violent crime.
 
The Brady Bill is a saccharine, feel-good piece of legislation that doesn't even reduce violent crime by a fraction of diddly divided by squat.
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Tamara,

What would happen if they actually ENFORCED the background check portion of the Brady Bill?
Since you sell guns, you know as well as I do that it blocks felons from purchases (not that they don't still get the gun through other means).
The problem is that the FBI/ATF gets that information - a rapist/thug/murderer attempted to purchase a gun at XYZ store on 10 October - and don't do ANYTHING with it!

Attempted purchase is a felony. And they have the 4473 with the SIGNATURE of the felon for evidence. An open and shut case where they could put a felon away for a mandatory five years.
But they don't. They don't have time to put dangerous felons in jail - they're too busy going after citizens who bought saw-cut (instead of torch-cut) FAL kits. They're too busy fining gun dealers for clerical errors. They're too busy being tax agents to put violent criminals in jail.

Keith
 
What would happen if they actually ENFORCED the background check portion of the Brady Bill?
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Lots more people who shouldn't be denied firearms would be arrested and prosecuted -- just to catch the few convicted violent felons stupid enough to try and go 4473.
 
The "No guns for felons" laws do not keep guns from felons. They simply impose gun control on them.QUOTE]

I disagree, gun control can and does work on felons. Their is about 20% or more released felons (depending on region) that do not want to risk going back to prison, and abide by felon "gun control". For a parolee, America is a police state that rivals Nazi Germany or Stalin's Russia.
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Their is about 20% or more released felons (depending on region) that do not want to risk going back to prison, and abide by felon "gun control".
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And that is the 20% or more that you would never have to worry about having a gun.

Gun control only limits those who are trying to stay within the law.

You know, like that old saying "when guns are outlawed ..."
 
Their is about 20% or more released felons (depending on region) that do not want to risk going back to prison, and abide by felon "gun control".
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Does this number include the white collar non-violent felons? Regardless, to echo Tallpine, that reinforces exactly what I said. If these felons don't want to risk going back to jail, they probably don't want to do murder or rape either as that might send them back to jail too. But even if they were not "rehabilitated" and they decide to rape or murder, they'd do it with a knife or even with their hands.

A gun is just a gun.
 
Hmmmm...So dynamite is just a firecracker to an ex-safecracker? :evil: He can get it anyway, and kids can get drugs anyway and so on and so on. Its insane.

Edmund Burke:
All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.
 
Yes, dynamite is just dynamite.

And yes, kids still get drugs. The laws are not stopping them, proving my point exactly that gun control won't work either.
 
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