firearms training in israel

[samlynas]

hi everybody,

i'm new to the forum, but hopefully i'm posting this in the right place.

i am a british citizen interested in learning to use firearms, and as you may or may not know, british law is pretty strict on firearms in general. as such, i'm hoping to get away somewhere a bit more relaxed in that sense in the next six months. israel seems like a good bet in that sense, in that it would be (probably) cheaper than the states, and also easier to get around.

does anybody here have any advice on training academies in israel? anything at all would be welcome. i've found condor already, but how open it is to foreign civilians, i haven't managed to find out yet...

by the way, i lost my left hand in a car crash last year (am right-handed). just thought i should mention it as background info.

thanks a lot,

sam

 

[mnrivrat]

Hi Sam - Welcome to THR !

I guess I can't help you much but wanted to acknowledge that your post is being read . I'm not sure if there are any Israel members here or not - if so , I'm sure they will chime in.

If not, and you want info on east coast USA training sites there should be plenty of info . Good luck with the search and if you have some specifics on what you are wanting to learn give us that info as well - it might help stear you to the right place.

 

[samlynas]

hi mnrivrat,

thanks for the welcome. i figure israel is going to be relatively hard to get info on. east coast might turn out to be a better option for me. it's no further from home than israel, either.

my firearms experience is limited to a couple of clay-pigeon outings, but i would like to gain real proficiency in tactical handgun shooting to start with. that strikes me as being the fundamental skill for a shooter, probably with rifle coming next.

i've checked out the sigarms academy, and am waiting to hear back from them. they loan weapons and provide all the ammo you require for their courses, which will be important for me as getting a handgun in the uk will be a nightmare, let alone getting it to the states. so that's a big bonus for me. proximity to boston is good too. anyone have any experience with the academy?

ideally, i would like to find a place where i can take consecutive courses, within, say, a month, from basic handgun up to advanced tactical handgun. east coast information is welcome if anyone has suggestions.

thanks

 

[ShackleMeNot]

Tactical Response will be in Lungern, Switzerland and Budapest, Hungary late April and early May of next year. If you want to come to the US we will also have several classes on or near the East coast.

If you come take classes at our home range in Camden, Tennessee we can rent you guns and gear but we can't rent guns for traveling classes.

Even if you can't take training with us, follow through and take training somewhere.

 

[shaldag]

samlynas,
first of all welcome (from another relative newbie).

For a number of reasons, you would probably be better off doing this in the US. The range of firearms that you could use, for example. (Of course, this does depend on the location in the US). I beleive that prices would be cheaper in the US, but I am not sure.

In Israel, options for civilians are much fewer than in the US. Tehy do exist, however. I am not sure what the requiremanets would be. For example, I don't know if the private security firms offering such training require a valid Israeli ID.
This would certainly be worth verifying before making a specific trip to Israel for this purpose.

Given that it is possible to do, there are additional considerations. The main one is that civilian training in Israel is focused on the average civilian's concerns. The focus is on the Israeli way of doing things, which can be different from that done in other countries. I do not say better or worse, but different. This is optimized to fit Israeli law, in addition to being the result of experience of the average Israeli firearms instructor (which mostly comes from the military/intelligence/police. Would this suit you?

The first thing that you must do is find out if the academies can accept non-residents. If you find that you are still interested, I can probably dig up a few names. I know of one academy in Jerusalem, and I remeberer hearing of another in Metulla (near the Lebanese border. I do not know if it is sitll there, however.

good luck.

 

[samlynas]

shaldag,

thanks for the info. israel sounds like it might be less than ideal after all. i'll get back to you on that one if it seems appropriate. i guess i'll stick with the states for now.

shacklemenot,

i liked the look of tactical response, and actually have some friends in nashville who i haven't seen in a long time. you may well be seeing me over there in the not too distant future. thanks for the pointer.

sam

 

[rudolf]

You might also consider that Israeli training lets you carry with chamber unloaded. You rack the slide when you need to shoot, for that you need two functional hands. So I guess the Israeli approach is not for you. Be sure to ask the folks that teach you about the one hand issue. I supect that your best bet will be hollidays in the US with lots of training.

 

[ShackleMeNot]

shacklemenot,

i liked the look of tactical response, and actually have some friends in nashville who i haven't seen in a long time. you may well be seeing me over there in the not too distant future. thanks for the pointer.

sam

We would be honored to have you.

I forgot to mention that we have had several students who have had missing or damaged limbs or hands. Some have taken longgun classes and some have taken handgun classes. All have left our training with better fighting skills. If you decide to make the trip over the pond we'll get you squared away.

 

[1 old 0311]

With one hand you are going to have to stick to a wheel gun. Not a problem, just info.

Kevin

 

[ShackleMeNot]

With one hand you are going to have to stick to a wheel gun. Not a problem, just info.

Kevin

Why do you think that?

Anyone can learn to run an autopistol one handed.

 

[Stand_Watie]

Why do you think that?

Anyone can learn to run an autopistol one handed.

I would think that your left forearm could be used to work the slide if you could get enough friction between arm/slide. Upon a little thought - shooting to me seems to be one of the better sports for learning one handed.

 

[Blair]

Hello there.
Good to see another UK Citizen in here I can definately sympathise with your urge to train with firearms. It really does reflect badly on UK law, and UK society in general that we have to leave our little Island in search of fun doesn't it?

Blair