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I just bought a gun and it was my first online gun purchase. I had it transferred to a local shop that I have never been to before. I have a firearms license in my state that is also known as concealed carry permit. I presented this license to the shop clerk. The clerk at the shop called my purchase in to the NICS to get me cleared.
I thought this was strange because I have purchased guns from other shops the past few years and they did not have to call the NICS for a check because I had my firearms license. They even thanked me for saving them that hassle.
I thought one of the benefits of having a firearms license was to make gun purchases easier. I went through the trouble and expense to be investigated and fingerprinted to get my firearms license. I am thinking about not using this shop to transfer firearms for me anymore even though I was cleared to take possession of the gun. This just really gets on my nerves when I think about it. I asked the clerk about it and she told me that she wanted to check me because she didn't know me. Am I overreacting to this or would this bother you as well?
 
I asked the clerk about it and she told me that she wanted to check me because she didn't know me. Am I overreacting to this or would this bother you as well?
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I would ask to see the store manager. That lady needs to be straightened out.

I'd tell her,
I don't know you either, so maybe I shouldn't trust you with such information as I'm buying a gun, my name, address, etc.
 
I purchased a gun recently and the clerk said it doesn't matter that I have a Conceal carry permit. His point was what if I just robbed a bank last week. They are supposed to run it through NICs everytime in PA.
 
I doubt your state law says that the dealer cannot run a NICS check if you have a carry permit/license. Only that they don't have to. Unless there is some quirk of GA law that refuses the dealer that discretion, I would assume it is up to them.

Is it odd? Perhaps. But a dealer has a lot of latitude to refuse a sale. It may just be store policy that they check to see if you haven't become a prohibited person since the date your permit was issued.

Personally, if I was a dealer, I'd probably do the minimum checking/paperwork required by law, but dealers are always at risk of hassles or even being put out of business if they make a misstep, so I can understand a cautious policy.
 
As annoying as it may be, Sam1911 is right on this one - when a CWP can exempt you from a NICS check it's usually just a matter of making the required NICS check an optional check. Most shops naturally are going to avoid any optional steps, but it's not a given.

My advice would be to try a new place next time. You want to get a good working relationship with your transfer agent. That includes finding one with good hours, good prices, and good policies. This one obviously failed on policies. Vote with your wallet and try somewhere else.

PS I ran into the same thing once. Not for my CWP (this was before I had it), but with a C&R License. Was buying an old milsurp out of a pawn shop and since I had a copy of my C&R FFL in the glove box I offered to bring that in instead of the NICS hassle. They didn't go along with that and still insisted on the NICS. No problem there - I don't have an issue passing them, but still takes a bit longer. Oh well. I've got the CWP now and the guy I use for mail orders will happily accept that. The only possible issue would be local purchases at actual shops.
 
Used to be a CWP would let you skip the NICS check (and its associated fee) here in Florida, but the law was changed to require the check on all purchases. The license is good for years, but they want to make sure nobody has done anything illegal lately.
 
My Alabama permit to carry is not a license to buy because there is not a uniform statewide standard for background checks. Each sheriff sets his own requirements for issue, this is a "may issue" state with permitting at the county level.
 
As annoying as it may be, Sam1911 is right on this one - when a CWP can exempt you from a NICS check it's usually just a matter of making the required NICS check an optional check.
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We really do like you Sam!

Now if only you could get them to accept CCW everywhere like the DL..... Just a thought.
 
Thanks for the input guys. I've decided to never go to that shop again. I don't need that kind of intrusion into my business.
 
Thanks for the input guys. I've decided to never go to that shop again. I don't need that kind of intrusion into my business.
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Well, do as you wish, of course, but I usually tell people to give the manager or the owner a chance to hear what you have to say. At least call them and discuss it (with great politeness). Store managers may give their counter folks a lot of leeway, or may not even know what's going on. Her "I just want to check you out because I don't know you" may be completely against the manager's wishes. Or he may have never thought about it before. Or it really may be that they really, honestly, want to recognize you as a prior customer before they'll do a NICS-less transfer. You'll never know if you don't ask.

I like options. Maybe you live in the gun shop capitol of the world, but for me there's only ten or fifteen I know of in reasonable driving distance. I'd hate to reduce that number even further without something really insulting or actually rude taking place.

This doesn't really rise to that standard, for me. So you had to wait, once. (As most gun owners wait for every transfer check.) Meh. I'd feel I owed it to myself to at least make a phone call (stopping in again would be better) before I cut off my nose to spite my face.
 
Ahhh, found my quote from before:

My personal take is the same at a gun shop as any other retail establishment. If you see something you really don't like, speak to a manager or the owner (not the counter flunky) and tell them professionally and politely what you saw and what you feel was wrong with it. Don't push a confrontation. Don't make the manager take sides in the presence of his employee. Just state your case and observe his/her reaction. If the manager is receptive and acknowledge your concern, great. If not, you can explain (again, politely and calmly) how serious you feel the problem was, and even tell them you cannot continue to patronize the business if that's really how you feel.

Then, follow up with a letter to the owner. Don't threaten ("Im going to tell everyone I know never to go to your shop and report you to Eddie Eagle, the BBB, and Ted Nugent, and call your mother, and your minister, and ...") as that's going to antagonize him/her. Just explain the facts and what you personally will do about it.

If you care enough to want things to change, follow through. You might be surprised at the results. Telling a shop owner that you really like his place, and are a regular customer, and that you really want to keep spending your money with him ... but there's this one pretty serious problem... -- that will strike a chord with most folks. They might not realize there was a problem. They might not realize how their help is representing them. They might have never understood the issue themselves. And they don't want to lose business.
 
I think it's a CYA on the dealer's part and I don't fault him for that.

Many people are sneaking about trying to cause them any problem they can.
While annoying, it makes sense to check on current status of a license or permit.
It;s the law in Illinois.
A few years ago, most anybody could have an ffl.
Thet made it so complicated and difficult 905% gave up-according to plan.
I hate all the laws and regs we got to deal with, but if I was a dealer in these times I would not miss a beat in keeping my affairs as best I could.
 
If you have plenty of competitive gun stores in your area go somewhere else in the future. It's not your job to point out to retailers that they haven't trained their people right!
 
Here in the Republik of Ill, the shop must treat any and all sales/transfers the same, and that means a 4473, a call, and a 24 hour wait for "long guns", and 72 hours for handguns. No exceptions, no excuses. If you don't live here, you need to be able to have a gun sent to a dealer where you live. We'll do that, but we won't deliver to you no matter what kind of Permit you have....unless it is a FFL.
What a wonderful state....and btw, black powder guns, and pellet/bb guns over .177 or anything over 700 fps is also treated as a firearm.
Don't get mad at the dealer...it is his living and he is covering his ass.ets.
 
The shop I am talking about is a pawn shop. It just happens to be the closest FFL to me. There are several other shops around here though. I never buy used guns so I don't need to return to this pawn shop anyway. My firearms license (concealed carry permit) was good enough for several other shops I've been to in the past.
 
me i would blow it off. the nics check is no big deal and only a phone call. i can understand a shop being a little careful these days. wait till you have a shop tell you are trying to do a straw buy on a c&r with 2 c&r holders. you would be sirprised the amount of shops that will not recognize an 03 c&r ffl.
 
I live in Oklahoma. Been CCW since longer than I can remember. I have at least 2 gun shops I visit regularly, and a Pawn shop where they know me by my 1st name. LOL. (some REALLY good deals at some of the Pawn shops). All of these places do the "instant check" before I carry my purchases out the door. They're just "watching their 6". Not worth losing a licence to cut any corners. And as stated previously, between the time my permit was issued, and the time of purchase, I may have broken the law. They have no way of knowing this. Better safe than sorry. I've never been denied, and they are very upfront about the policy. Friendly, but firm.
 
The possession of a carry permit means they don't =have= to run you through NICS, but nothing says they can't if they want.

My policy is that I -always- run someone the first time I see them, CWP or not. Subsequent visits I won't bother.

If that is a 'deal breaker' for someone ... they are welcome to take their business elsewhere.
 
You do fit the profile.

The Abortion Rights Tiller murder here in a KS church was commited by a 51 year old white male.

The Oklahoma City bomber was a 27 year old white male American.

Even 90 year old grandmothers get frisked by the airport TSA touchy feely guys!

I think you are over-reacting.

rc
 
I could understand if I fit the profile of a terrorist or gangster.
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Ooooh. Really? That's kind of a poor thing to say.

You should get a pass because of your age, gender, color, ethnicity, social status, class, weight, height, dress, etc.? Your complaint looks a little dimmer in light of this.

rcmodel hit the nail on the head. Get over it.
 
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