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Firemission - Google

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Ryanxia said:
It's just another private company with their own rights, but the word needs to be spread so we can (just as easily) switch to Bing or another search engine.
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Yeah, no real disagreement there. Just saying their anti-2A stance isn't all that apparent to me just because of their restrictive Google Shopping policies. But by all means, let's get the word out re: the alternatives.
 
I'm getting results on Google Shopping using Safari and Firefox from home and none using Explorer and Firefox from the office when I use the same criteria in Shopping.

I don't know enough to know how the differences are being triggered, but I do know that no simple-minded explanation fits the situation.

Yes, Google Shopping has put some sort of firearms filter in place so that any Shopping search run from my office returns no results, but my home searches return plenty.
 
HSO; Google has an estimated 1+ million web servers. (No official values are ever released, but that's the industry estimations).

It takes awhile to update everything. Usually Google servers (because there are so many of them) are hit based on proximity to your connection; it's highly likely your work internet connection terminates at a different "point" on the backbone than your home connection, or that the two may terminate on different backbones altogether. That means you're hitting different servers (or, banks of servers, rather).

The shopping searches I've done have been getting more and more thin this week, and we're 2 days in.

(I run datacenters in my day job; what you're experiencing isn't unusual - their ban on firearms in shopping WILL reach everyone globally soon enough, just takes awhile to propagate)
 
mookiie said:
Google.com boycot, once they lose money they will change their tune!
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Boycotting them won't do much good, unfortunately. You'll make a drop in the water dent on their subscriber base, which won't affect advertising since they're the biggest game in town.

People often forget, but with Google, their PRODUCTS and SERVICES aren't where they make money. They're an advertising firm.

PEOPLE are their products. Advertisers are their customers.

Boycott them all you want, not going to matter. They don't make money on Android phones, Chrome web browser, etc. They make money on ads pushed to those devices, and frankly, there's not ENOUGH of us, in total, to make a difference. As long as they have "critical mass" that makes spending marketing money on them enticing to advertising, they can charge X per ad. We won't push them under critical mass, or alter what they charge (x) per advertisement.

Sucks, but in this case, we're kind of powerless.

Only thing we can do is change our default search engine to Bing to search for gun stuff (without having to search for something and enter 10+ websites individually to pull up pricing). It's about the only way to find a "decent" deal fast. You can probably find the BEST deal by picking around non-indexed/non-subscribing sites (local shops, whatever), but for those of us with time constraints, "best" is often good enough. (E.g. +/- 50 cents a box on ammo, or a $1 difference on magazines, isn't enough to justify me spending an extra 2 hours to find a better deal.)

(Just my .02)

Personally, I'm pissed at Google for doing something so asinine and plan on ditching as much google crap as I can. But that's me. It won't matter, in the long run, but at least *I* will feel better about it.
 
Here is an alternative site dealing with firearms, optics, reloading etc. http://www.gunspec.com/

From reading the FAQ on the website, it started late last year and just recently added Brownells and Sinclair to the search groups that show prices of items you are looking for.
 
regardless if it "makes a difference" or not, I guess I'm just more comfortable using a search provider that doesnt resort to such tactics, if for no other reason than to know *I* am not supporting Google. My own peace of mind is as important as any real-world impact my actions may have.
 
For companies (like Google) that do business in China where they restrict everyone's rights, your firearms rights are a small issue to them.

Like with everything it's all about the money.
 
Guys -

I ran into the filtering issue on Google/Shopping a couple of days ago, however, it appears to have been "fixed"? Is Google still blocking/filtering firearm related shopping queries? I just did a query on Keltec Magazines and came back with a slew of links on Shopping. Can anyone confirm???

OA
 
outerlimit said:
For companies (like Google) that do business in China where they restrict everyone's rights, your firearms rights are a small issue to them.

Like with everything it's all about the money.
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It's just nauseating when you hear them lecture on the first amendment, especially when the behavior they protect leads to theft of American intellectual property.
 
I already changed all.my search defaults. A good ol fashioned boycott is just what is needed. Soon as they start losing money they will change their tune!
 
A boycott would be effective if it becomes widespread, if the firearm community as a whole walks away from google they will lose money on adds because they have a smaller audience. To say a boycott will have no effect you are conceding without giving the option a chance, you urself are then defeating the boycott, it works one person at a time.
 
Trent said:
Boycotting them won't do much good, unfortunately. You'll make a drop in the water dent on their subscriber base, which won't affect advertising since they're the biggest game in town.

People often forget, but with Google, their PRODUCTS and SERVICES aren't where they make money. They're an advertising firm.

PEOPLE are their products. Advertisers are their customers.
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To take it even further, MOUSE CLICKS are their products. To say that we can't make a difference is self-defeating. If we take our mouse clicks away - and I mean really take them away, all of them, then that will show up in their statistics. In addition, there are other groups who don't like Google for other reasons. Get enough people together and you can change the biggest game in town.
 
True enough, guys. I did a search on Bing, see a thread just like this one in just about EVERY firearms forum out there right now.

If it's gonna happen, it needs to happen NOW while it has everyone's full attention!

I for one, am done with Google PERIOD until the policy changes.
 
Mixed results

I get results for all kinds of things like HKS Speed Loaders and other nonsense but no results for firearms themselves.
This is different from a few days ago when I got no results whatsoever.
Even more nonsensical Google "Hunter Specialties" and you get all kinds of shopping results
 
The problem with boycotting Google, as I mentioned in another thread, is that Google is so vested in the internet that you literally can't avoid giving them advertising funds. Want to know one way to avoid Google? Stop going to THR. I see google ads on this very site! Granted, it's all gun related ads, but it's Google ads nonetheless.

How many of you have an android phone? There's a piece of Google.
How many have a gmail account? That's been my account for almost a decade, which everyone knows how to get ahold of me through.
How many people use other Google services, such as Youtube (pretty much the standard for posting gun reviews and informational pieces) or Blogspot (again, a very standard site that is used by a lot of people for firearms blogs).

I disagree with what Google is doing here, but it just doesn't seem feasible for me to break away from them.
 
like i said in the other thread:

Google = Commies

As a result of the article i read yesterday (im a little slow) about google and their BS, i decided to look if Bing was doing the same.. my search brought me to Grab-A-Gun and I ended up ordering a Kahr CM9 for $351.50 shipped!!!!

I would like to thank Google for orchastrating this evil weapons purchase!
 
Ok, I left them some feedback to let them know that I'll use Bing and Ask.com until their policy is rescinded.
 
when is this supposed to be implemented? I just went to google shopping and did a search tactical vest, smith and wesson, double star, and high capacity magazines and all returned the desired search product.
 
Odd. I just tried a search for Smith and Wesson, and it came back as:

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Your search - smith and wesson - did not match any shopping results.
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I wonder if it is blocked by area here is my results
http://tinyurl.com/6rg9rsg

Edit to add: I just tried my link not logged in, it didn't work. But when I am logged in it works fine.
 
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