Fishing a dock and then hear Pow, Pow, Pow

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I was fishing a dock where a guy had tied a rope around it to make it harder to fish. There was a guy up on his back deck messing around, but he was kind of hard to see. I was telling my friend that there used to be a guy somewhere around here that used to shoot in the water near the boat when someone would fish his dock, but it he was an older guy and I am not sure if he was still around. Well within a couple minutes we heard POW. It was coming from the deck area. Me and my buddy said what ^&** was that. Pow, pow. I said it sounds like a 22 pistol. My buddy yelled up there "are you aiming that at us?" The guy yelled back "I ain't aiming anything at you" Pow, pow, pow. My buddy yelled back "What is it". The guy yelled back "Its a 22". :what: I told my friend well there is no water splashing or holes forming in the boat, so he is not aiming our way or he is a really bad shot. I was laughing, but my buddy did find it as humorous as me. I told him it may be one of those 22 nail guns. Well we kept fishing and about 5 minutes later here come the guy down to the dock. "I need to talk to you guys" He said that was not a gun it was a 22 nail gun for masonry. He said he got to thinking about what was said and he did not want us thinking he was shoot a gun and that he had not problems us fishing his dock. He said I could see a half dozen Sheriff Deputies pulling up with guns drawn. We all kind of laughed and we told him no problem we were not too worried about since it did appear anything was being fired at us.
After we moved on my buddy said no more stories of being shot at because another run in like that and he might just need to clean his pants.

I was not carrying because the laws on CCW on lakes are not very clear here, but this was one time I wished I was. As it turned out I never needed it and would have never displayed it even if I had it.
 
I did not want to bother with the cops because I do think he was using a nail gun and I am not sure he broke any laws. I do think he was trying to intimidate us because what he said he was doing did not make any sense where he was on his deck.
The problem with the carry laws and lakes here is that you cannot have a loaded firearm at the launching areas. However, since some gamelands are reached by the lake you can possess a gun on the lake. It does not say anything about CCW, but I think CCW on the lake is legal. I guess I could carry an unloaded firearm and if I ever needed it I could load the magazine, rack the slide and hope the other person retreats because retreating on a boat can be a slow process.
I have never had anyone come out fussing about fishing their dock, but if I did I would just move on. I release everything so it is not worth fighting over when there is a whole lake. I do know a few people that have gotten in to arguments though.
 
Nail gun sounds plausible to me. Some nail guns use a small explosive charge to launch the nail. I can see it probably sounding like a 22.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they have a machine that actually uses a .22 blank cartridge to drive nails into concrete? I think I've used one before actually.

-Dev
 
Yes, there are explosive-charged nailguns that use .22 blanks. You can buy them and their blanks at Home Depot or any other well-equipped home improvement store.

They are often used for attaching things like 2x4s to concrete floors.
 
+1 on the ramset, i used them while hanging xmas lights as a job last year. They use .22 cartriges with differnt powder levels for differnt materials, i.e. concrete, mortar... Some are quite powerful and on more than one occasion we would be using it to hang a wreath above a door on a brick house and have to try more than once and either the homeowner or a nieghbor would come running outside asking if we heard "the gunshots". Pretty fun little things to use too ;)
 
Yes there are such guns, but they are slow to load. There is no 'pow pow pow'. They load the nail from the muzzle and most require the cartridge to be loaded individually.

If there was anything resembling rapid fire, it was a gun.
 
I may have a little different take on fishing docks. I'm sitting here looking at my lakefront as I type. Every time there's a bass tournament, there's an endless parade of idiots fishing around our pier. They sling 1/ 2 ounce lead jigs at anything that doesn't move, including my $40,000 Malibu ski boat. I may not shoot at the next guy that puts a chip in my gel-coat, but I will use a slingshot with steel bearings to repay the damage.

You probably have a $1,000 depth finder. Please use it.
 
There was enough time between the pops he could have reloaded each time.

redneck2 - I understand what you are saying. I do not fish tournaments, nor do I cast around someone's boat. I treat everyone's property as if it was my own. Sadly not everyone is like this and that is why people post their land. However, here as I understand it, the docks sit on public property by permit, but the dock it self is private property. Everyone has a right to fish the water around and under the dock. I can only imagine the crap some land owners face on the lake, but people fishing docks is known before the land is purchased, so if someone has a problem with it they should not buy the land.

True, electronic help a great deal, but there are days and times of the year fish hold to docks and other man made structures. To be honest I would rather fish natural structure. It would not hurt my feelings if they forced homeowners to remove their docks off of the public property because it takes away from the natural beauty of the lake. When I go fishing I go to the fish and if they are in deep water structure I use my electronics to find it and fish it. If they happen to be holding to shallow water structure such as docks then I will fish docks for the day. I mean no offense about what I am getting ready to say, but here your actions would land you in jail because I would call the law and file a complaint if you were to shoot projectiles toward me or my 50k Bass Rig.
 
but there are days and times of the year fish hold to docks and other man made structures
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. There are also times of the year when my neighbor's land holds deer, but I don't have the right to hunt it just because that's where they're at.

I've also got a hole in the seat cushions from hooks. I've found hooks and lures stuck in my pier where the kids walk. Wouldn't be so bad if these chimps had any idea how to cast, but evidentally they don't.

I've got my own fishing boat and fish my lake. I'd just appreciate it if some of the fishermen had some amount of respect. I'm trying to let you know why some lakefront owners get more than a little upset.
 
I -work- at home Depot, and We sell not only single shot but also "semi automatic" versions. Ramset makes them.
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You still have to cock them and manually load a nail into the muzzle after each discharge - the only 'semiauto' part is that the blanks are on strips and feed when you manually cock the thing.

It is still plenty slow. If you heard 'pow pow pow', then it was not a 'powder actuated nailer'.
 
actually......

There is nothing that says you would need to load a nail into the muzzle of it. Just keep cycling it to load a new blank in place and fire it off empty. might not be good for the tool though. IIRC, they use a piston to drive the nail forward into the material, and that piston slamming into the stops probably does some damage if it doesn't have a nail/material.
 
There are also times of the year when my neighbor's land holds deer, but I don't have the right to hunt it just because that's where they're at.
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The same is true here. However, if the deer wonder on public gamelands they are fair game. When they are on your neighbor's land they are on private property. I am not sure of your laws there, but here the docks are on public property once it ascends over water. I think this is the rule everywhere though.

I understand what you are saying about people casting around your boat causing damage. You have every right to be upset. That would p me off too. However, not everyone is an "Idiot" and will cast around your boat. This may be one of the reasons I have never had anyone come yelling at me.

Most of the horror stories I have heard were before cell phones were so common place, and they I believe they have really helped with property owners overstepping their ground. Also most of the arguments I have heard about fishing around docks is that we are taking "their fish." However, I am sure there are people like you that have had property damage. Do you leave you boat in the water all of the time? I could not imagine doing that with my boat because of sun damage.
 
My boat is on a Shore Station lifted out of the water. In fact, it sits under cover about 3 feet off the water. I've seen guys try to cast toward the boat and have a lure land on top of the Shore Station cover. Or, they'll intentionally sling lures toward the boat so they bounce off and fall straight down.

Until you sit here and watch these chimps try to fish, you cannot imagine how totally inept they are. If you think this is an exageration, spend a little time at someone's home on the lakefront. We have people come out from the city (Chicago). Once they get in the country, they think it's the wild west all over.

Is it all?? No, probably not even most. But it's enough to make it bad for everyone. And having a $14.75 fishing license doesn't allow someone to damage my stuff.

Hey, I've got the right to park at the launch. Maybe I should take my 1992 Jeep there and swing the door into the side of their new 4x4. After all, it's my right to park there. If their stuff gets dinged up while I'm having fun, hey, too bad. It's my right.

Get the point?? You can have fun, just not at my expense.
 
We have people come out from the city (Chicago).
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Right there is your problem :neener:.

I see your point. I have not seen someone one bouncing lures off of someone’s boat, but if I did I could promise you I would say something to them myself.

I am not saying this does not happen here, but most of the people I know that have been in an altercation here was not because of property damage. It was because the land owner did not want them catching "their fish". Some people create underwater brush piles to hold fish around their docks. They get down right protective of these brush piles. I have seen people stop mowing their yards literally "run" and grab a fishing rod to start fishing until we pass by then they go back mowing their yard. I just pass by and do not fish it. However, when I come back by I am normally running my big motor, so I get to their dock before they can blink an eye. If they are that protective there is normally fish there. I know some people that will fish it anyway when a landowner does this, but to me that is asking for trouble. When I come back by if they are not on that dock fishing I fish it and have caught big bass doing it.
 
Fine. Keep your lure in the water instead of my boat cushions and I have no problem. You're right, nobody owns the water or the fish. If somebody puts a brush pile in a public lake, they have no individual right to it.
 
+1 on the ramset. they make all different styles, some you have to load one at a time, others load the blanks by strips, kinda like the belt feed on an MG. the blanks that the guns use work well in .22 revolvers. i always get a good laugh out of handing someone a revolver loaded with blanks and watching them get pissed when they cant hit the target. :evil:
 
my hilti gun uses 22 blanks loaded on a plastic strip and the nails come in strips. pull the trigger fire a nail, no cocking or inserting nail after each shot.
 
ccw007
I was not carrying because the laws on CCW on lakes are not very clear here, but this was one time I wished I was. As it turned out I never needed it and would have never displayed it even if I had it.
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Curious about your state law that makes this confusing, could you explain.
 
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