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I often travel with my FiveSeven, and was thinking it would be good to get some more practice with it. Is 5.7x28mm allowed in any competitive shooting? I see from the website on IPSC that it doesn't meet the minimum (9mm), but what about any other organizations?

Thanks for any input!
 
That's what I thought, but wanted to check just to make sure.

Kind of a shame, really, I'd like to use it on those courses just for the sake of practice (not worried about scores, rankings, and such). I guess I could always bring it along and do unscored re-shoots at the end of the day, after the matches are over.

Thanks Sam!
 
It is allowed in NRA Police Tactical Competition. Also, I am allowed to shoot mine at my local IDPA matches. My stats aren't official, but they are recorded and ranked and put on the website. I pay my match fee and am treated just like everybody else.. well.. other than the celebrity factory my gun always generates.. ;)
 
If you can get up with the local Match Director ahead of time and discuss it with him, many of us are willing to let oddball guns play, so long as they are safe and the shooter has a holster that meets the safety standards. (No official score, of course, but great practice.)

The one thing to explicitly discuss with him is whether or not they approve the use of the 5.7 round on their steel.

We did some tests on the steel we use and decided not to allow 5.7 or .30 Carbine due to noticable surface imprinting. The rounds didn't penetrate or crater the steel, of course, but they left a dimple that could be seen and felt, and we decided it was best not to allow that to happen.

So, you'll want to point that out ahead of time.
 
Heh, no, this is one handgun I will NOT part with. :)

I was out at the range yesterday with it and a curious oldtimer walks over and starts chatting me up. We get to talking, he's got a 1911 on his hip. Says (the typical) "never did like those plastic tupperware guns much".

I let him run a 20 round mag through. To his surprise, he found he very much likes "tupperware" guns. He also couldn't believe how light the gun was, with 20 rounds in the mag, no less!

When running doubletap drills I'm consistently hitting groups 1/3 the size of my 45, and about 1/2 the size of my 9mm. Would love to take it to a competition just to see how my score compares to minor and major auto. (I haven't shot competitions in quite a long time, and don't know anyone who does locally anymore, so any shoot I decide to go to will be completely "cold", knowing no-one.)

Going to a shoot without knowing anyone seems like as good of way as any, to make new friends, at least. Gets kind of lonely out here in the boonies sometimes. :)
 
I don't like plastic guns either but if I had the money that is one I would buy. I have been wanting one for a while. A guy told me a china army guy shot a human size target from 88 yds with one.
 
if you can find a local match, they may not let you shoot steel with it, but im sure they would let you shoot the paper targets; all ya gotta do is find one and ask.
 
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A guy told me a china army guy shot a human size target from 88 yds with one.
Don't be too impressed with that.....I have a FiveSeven pistol and have found that human sized targets at 100 yards are no big deal with that pistol. And I am not a particularly great shot.
Pete
 
if you can find a local match, they may not let you shoot steel with it, but im sure they would let you shoot the paper targets; all ya gotta do is find one and ask.

Certainly call and ask. However, most IDPA type matches include up to 25% of the shots on steel, often interspersed with the paper targets. It may not be worth much to go shoot a match where you have to promise to skip 1/4 of the shots (what's your score going to tell you then?) and you'll be DQ'd and asked to leave if you forget or hit one accidentally.

There are some clubs that don't use steel, or maybe only set up one stage with steel, probably. You'll just have to call and ask. Heck, there may be some clubs who just don't care! :uhoh:
 
As mentioned it might be destructive to the steel surface, but also, they don't even come close to making minor power factor, so even if you could shoot the steel there is no guarantee you could knock it over. You'd just have to try to find out.

If you called our club, we'd let you do a fun run on a stage(s) that did not have steel targets that day.
 
I don't like plastic guns either but if I had the money that is one I would buy. I have been wanting one for a while. A guy told me a china army guy shot a human size target from 88 yds with one.
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I'd respectfully disagree.

Jason
I would highly disagree. A standard 55 grain .223 bullet has a muzzle energy of about 1300 ft/lbs and a 31 grain 5.7 has about 344 ft/lbs. Don't get me wrong, they both have purposes, but the AR-15 is vastly superior.

You're comparing a rifle round to a sub-rifle round.
 
FN-tastic Firearm

My Five-Seven pistol is my favorite firearm. It is without a doubt THE handgun I would have if I had only one. It needs a steady hand but the super-sonic, flat trajectory and round options make it a bridge between "hand guns" and "long guns". Ammo is pricey and the brass doesn't last long but I still take it out once or twice a month...when I take out my other long range guns...

Scott

Here's a bit of Wikipedia history.

The FN 5.7×28mm is a small-caliber, high-velocity cartridge designed and manufactured by FN Herstal in Belgium.[7] It is a bottlenecked centerfire cartridge that is somewhat similar to the .22 Hornet or .22 K-Hornet.[7] The 5.7×28mm was developed in conjunction with the FN P90 personal defense weapon (PDW) and FN Five-seven pistol, in response to NATO requests for a replacement for the 9×19mm Parabellum cartridge.[10][11]

In 2002 and 2003, NATO conducted a series of tests with the intention of standardizing a PDW cartridge as a replacement for the 9×19mm Parabellum cartridge.[11] The tests compared the relative merits of the 5.7×28mm cartridge and the 4.6×30mm cartridge, which was created by Heckler & Koch as a competitor to the 5.7×28mm.[11] The NATO group subsequently recommended the 5.7×28mm cartridge, citing superior performance in testing, but the German delegation objected and the standardization process was indefinitely halted.[11]

By 2006, FN's 5.7×28mm firearms—the P90 personal defense weapon and Five-seven pistol—were in service with military and police forces in over 40 countries throughout the world.[12] In the United States, 5.7×28mm firearms are currently used by numerous law enforcement agencies, including the U.S. Secret Service.[13][14]
 
I would highly disagree. A standard 55 grain .223 bullet has a muzzle energy of about 1300 ft/lbs and a 31 grain 5.7 has about 344 ft/lbs. Don't get me wrong, they both have purposes, but the AR-15 is vastly superior.

You're comparing a rifle round to a sub-rifle round.

The energy superiority of the AR-15 greatly depends on the configuration of the weapon. If you are talking about a short barrel configuration on the AR, then the differences between the two are negligible.

If you try to fire a short barreled AR-15 in your home in self defense, you will be blinded and deaf. In CQB scenarios (especially indoors), the PS90 wins hands down over a shortened AR-15. The PS90 has no recoil, holds 50 rounds, has little to no muzzle flash, and approaches 700 ft-lbs of energy with EA ammo.
 
If you try to fire a short barreled AR-15 in your home in self defense, you will be blinded and deaf. In CQB scenarios (especially indoors), the PS90 wins hands down over a shortened AR-15.

I know of some folks that have BTDT, and do CQB for a living, who would vehemently disagree with you about the P90's effectiveness for that role, but the OP's question was about 5.7 use in competition. To that end, I don't know of any competition in which it is legal.


Jason
 
I know of some folks that have BTDT, and do CQB for a living, who would vehemently disagree with you about the P90's effectiveness for that role, but the OP's question was about 5.7 use in competition. To that end, I don't know of any competition in which it is legal.


Jason

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.. educated or not.
 
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.. educated or not.

I'm not going to say anything else about it, so as not to get the OP's thread locked, but the info is out there, in the form of testimonies from what I would hope you would consider "educated" SOF and SWAT personnel who have firsthand experience with the P90 in actual OISs and CQB/MOUT engagements.


Jason
 
I'm not going to say anything else about it, so as not to get the OP's thread locked,
Hey, that's a really good idea. We have enough threads about the 5.7 as a wonder-weapon already. Let's stick to the question of what competitions it can or can't do.
 
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