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2008 is going to be a very busy year for Tactical Response. We'll be adding a few new classes in the coming months. Some of our hosts are still working out dates with their ranges and finalizing other details.

www.TacticalResponse.com/schedule.php

We travel the country so you don't have to. Help us continue our traveling road show. Sign up for a class near you!
 
We've had a lot of interest from Oklahoma recently. I'd love to come there if we could find a range to host.

I spent many of my childhood summers in Claremore, OK on my grandfather's farm. Great memories.
 
Hey there, I'm not new to shooting but I am fairly new to everyday CCW. I see that you have a tactical pistol and shotgun course in June about 2 hours away from me in Austin (Bastrop). Here's my query:

My girlfriend and I don't get much range time (maybe 3 hours a month). We are both "OK" shooters, meaning we can both hit "minute of pie plate" at 25 feet with pistols. Is your class a place that we would benefit from the material or do I need to be a marksman or at least a better shot before I'll gain the most from your instruction?

I understand your course is more about the "fighting" part of the encounter but if I'm too green to benefit from the material it I'd like to know before I drop $1600 on 4 days of instruction (and lodging, food, ammo, the like).

Before anyone says it .... yes, I know, I would like more range time too. Yes, I know, it's important to practice.
 
Sorry Eric, I missed your question the first time.

i couldnt really tell from the website, are bolt action rifles allowed? Is ammo loaded on 5 round stripper clips acceptable?

Are you asking about Fighting Rifle? Yes, you can shoot the class with a bolt gun if you want. The course is designed for modern full capacity semi auto rifles but we've had lever guns and fixed 10 round mags and pinned 5 round mags (Canadians) and a few 10/22s. Basically, you need to learn how to fight with the gun you have and if what you have is a bolt gun that's what you need to be training with. You will need to bring a lot of stripper clips.

Know that you will have a VERY different class than our average Fighting Rifle student because of your gear choice but much of our training isn't about what gun is in your hand at the time but about what's going on in your head.
 
My girlfriend and I don't get much range time (maybe 3 hours a month). We are both "OK" shooters, meaning we can both hit "minute of pie plate" at 25 feet with pistols. Is your class a place that we would benefit from the material or do I need to be a marksman or at least a better shot before I'll gain the most from your instruction?

You don't need to have a certain level of marksmanship to start training. You only need to be able to handle a firearm safely. We will teach you to be a better shooter and you will learn a whole lot more. Formal training will also make the time and ammo you spend practicing after class more productive because you will have specific things to practice.

Sadly, too many shooters fail to start training because they think they have to be better than they are to take their first class.
 
ShackleMeNot said:
You don't need to have a certain level of marksmanship to start training. You only need to be able to handle a firearm safely. We will teach you to be a better shooter and you will learn a whole lot more. Formal training will also make the time and ammo you spend practicing after class more productive because you will have specific things to practice.

Sadly, too many shooters fail to start training because they think they have to be better than they are to take their first class.


Thanks so much for the quick response. Maybe I'm too hung up about my own ability. One of my co-workers suggested that I just get more range time and that the training funds would be better spent on ammo. Of course, he doesn't live in my house or have nearly the time restrictions I do. While I agree that more range time would be a good idea I'm also nonr to keen to practice bad habits.

I think I'll talk to my GF tonight and see how she feels about a week long trip to Austin in June. Honestly, spending the money doesn't confront my sensibilities nearly as much as being armed and untrained.

Again, thanks for the input.

As a last question (and sorry to be so inquisitive), while I have several "fighting pistols" we only have one shotgun between us (12Ga Maverick 88 Defense). If we attend the same class for the fighting shotgun training will I need to pick up a second one for her or I to use or would it be acceptable to share one? I don't mind picking up a new scatter gun but I'd rather not if it's unnecessary.
 
As a last question (and sorry to be so inquisitive), while I have several "fighting pistols" we only have one shotgun between us (12Ga Maverick 88 Defense). If we attend the same class for the fighting shotgun training will I need to pick up a second one for her or I to use or would it be acceptable to share one? I don't mind picking up a new scatter gun but I'd rather not if it's unnecessary.

You will each need your own shotgun and pistol for Fighting Shotgun. We sometimes have rental guns available at traveling classes depending on if we drive or fly. For Bastrop we should be able to bring along an extra or two.

You may want to consider buying another one for your girlfriend that fits her frame. You might also want to consider something in 20 gauge because two days of shotgun shooting can be punishing for anyone. A new Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 and a quality sling shouldn't run you much more than $300. Her having her own gun that works for her will make her experience much more pleasant.
 
I think I might come up to TN for your Fighting Rifle set (FR, Intermediate Distance, AFR).

What are the facilities like up there? I don't see much information about it on your website.
 
I think I might come up to TN for your Fighting Rifle set (FR, Intermediate Distance, AFR).

What are the facilities like up there? I don't see much information about it on your website.

Our range is rather large. 300 acres with a 400+ yard rifle range, multiple pistol and shotgun bays and the ability to shoot 800+ yards for our Sniper classes.
 
Sorry but we do not allow the Blackhawk “Serpa” Holster in our classes.

I got this from your website, can you explain the reason you don't allow these holsters.

Thanks
 
Are there any plans for offering classes in Michigan? If so, I would be interested.

Doc2005
 
The Serpa holster design requires the use of the trigger finger to disengage the retention while drawing. For this specific reason we no longer allow them in class.

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There is a lot of interest in a class in Michigan but we don't yet have a range that will host us.
 
I'm like TallPine. I live in Montana but your class is nearly 400 miles from my home. I think they called that town you are having your class in Eureka because if you ever find that place it's what you would exclaim!

Beautiful country up there though!
 
The Serpa holster design requires the use of the trigger finger to disengage the retention while drawing. For this specific reason we no longer allow them in class.

Yes I realize that is how the Serpa works, I own 3 of them. I'm not trying to be a pita but I just don't understand why that is a problem.
 
Paul Gomez wrote a summary of the design issues with the Serpa. We share his concerns and will no longer allow them in our training classes.

Over the last year, I have developed some serious concerns with the Blackhawk Serpa Active Retention holster design. Various persons have brought these concerns to the attention of Blackhawk on several occasions and Blackhawk has chosen to ignore these very real issues.

The ‘Serpa Active Retention’ design consists of a plastic L-shaped component which functions as the release button [from the outside of the holster] and as the lock [which engages inside the trigger guard]. The short leg of the L-shaped lever pivots inward [toward the pistol], while the locking tab pivots outward to release the pistol from the holster.

According to the Blackhawk website, ”The release is made using your normal drawing motion, with the trigger finger beside the holster body. … As your trigger finger naturally comes to rest on the SERPA lock’s release mechanism, simply push the mechanism as you draw the weapon and it releases the gun for a smooth, fast draw.”

While Blackhawk may intend for the end-user to apply inboard pressure with the flat of the index finger, under stress, shooters tend to push the button with the tip of their index finger. After all, this is the manner in which most people have the most repetitions pushing buttons such as keys on a keypad or phone or ringing doorbells. When the finger pushes in on the release button and the user initiates the upward motion of the drawstroke, the finger tends to stay in motion and as the trigger guard clears the holster, the finger enters the trigger guard and contacts the trigger, with possibly tragic results.

I am aware of two instances where trained personnel have shot themselves using this holster in conjunction with Glock pistols. In August of 2004, a situation occurred with a live weapon that resulted in the shooter losing a 10cm piece of her femur. The other occurred with nonlethal training ammunitions in a force-on-force event in April of 2005. The impact of the NLTA was in the same area as the actual gunshot wound previously mentioned.

Following each of these events, Blackhawk was contacted and advised of the problems observed and concerns raised. In the first instance, they claimed that they were unaware of any previous issues with the design and insisted that the design had been ‘thoroughly tested by law enforcement and military personnel’.

After the second event, they were contacted by at least two people. Again, they stated that they were unaware of any concerns and had heard nothing similar from any sources.

If this were not disturbing enough, in October 2005, while assisting with a class in Casa Grande, AZ, additional concerns surfaced. During a force-on-force evolution, when a student attempted to draw an NLTA-modified Glock 17 from his Blackhawk Serpa holster, he was unable to free the gun from the holster.

In fact, the gun was so tightly held in the holster that, with one person applying both hands to the release button and another person applying two hands to the pistol, the gun could not be freed. Upon inspection, a small piece of gravel, approximately the size of the head of a pin, had managed to work itself into the Serpa release button and wedge the lock in place.

While trying to effect a release of the pistol from the holster, the entire holster popped off of the belt. The three screws that attach the holster body to the belt plate simply slipped through the tracks in the belt plate without apparent damage. Of what use is a retention holster that does not keep the gun on the belt?

In my opinion, the Blackhawk Serpa Active Retention holster is a severely flawed design. It offers the theoretical advantage of security while, in reality, offering none. It does not hold up to the rigors of realistic training. It accentuates the possibility of an unintentional discharge. It is unsafe.
 
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