FN Reflex 9MM - Thoughts?

[triplebike]

Anyone own or has fired the above. Saw one yesterday ay my LGS. Has decent sights and a quite nice trigger. Felt comfortable in my hand, don't know much about FN.

 

[actionexpress]

I got to shoot one and I would have purchased the one the shop had if it wasn’t the fde model. It felt great in my hand. It’s internal hammer fired, SAO and yeah the trigger is kinda light but it shot great for me. They’ve been around forever, FN. Good company.

 

[someguy2800]

I would like to go check one out. My biggest qualm from watching reviews of them is that there is no blade safety in the trigger. I strongly feel a gun without a manual safety should have the trigger blade safety to prevent holster snags, but to each his own. If I carried one I think I would get a kydex holster for that reason.

 

[BreechFace]

First I've heard of it, had to do some quick research.

Would like to know what "inertial" safety mechanism these have, given no trigger dingus. Maybe FN is considering their 5# trigger pull an inertial safety, but in my mind it is not.

We all know how well it worked for Sig releasing theirs with drop safety issues.

One can get creative with an internal hammer by counter-balancing weights on the hammer (given that by my research it is an internal hammer SAO action) so as to counteract inertia, just curious.

As for me it's a hard no until I understand the safety mechanisms and can see drop safety tests.

It does look like a nice firearm though, and I do like FN as a whole, their long history and pedigree in the firearms industry has some clout in my mind.

 

[Walkalong]

I would like to go check one out. My biggest qualm from watching reviews of them is that there is no blade safety in the trigger. I strongly feel a gun without a manual safety should have the trigger blade safety to prevent holster snags, but

I don’t see how those offer much protection from that. Much better ways to do a safety.

Anyway, that wouldn’t stop me.

 

[JDeere]

I will get one when my lgs gets a black one with optic cut. Haven't shot one but they are nice in the hand. Not worried about no safety. For the price I'll try one. It's an FN why not. The internal hammer has my curiosity...

 

[someguy2800]

I don’t see how those offer much protection from that. Much better ways to do a safety.

Anyway, that wouldn’t stop me.

Because it prevents the trigger from moving if you only push on the outer edge of the trigger such as might happen if your shirt get in there or the side of the holster gets pushed in. How much extra safety it offers is debatable I suppose but it makes me feel better. I have kahrs with no manual safety and no trigger blade, but I’m uneasy about a single action trigger with neither.

 

[someguy2800]

But I totally understand there are just as many people that wouldn't buy it if it had a dongle as those that won't buy it because it doesn't. Maybe more. An ass for every seat as they say.

 

[Walkalong]

I agree, and don't care for them. Whatever gets into the trigger guard could just as easily hit the dongle as well. I get it, it might work, but it might not, depends on where the intruding item hits.

 

[zaitcev]

Anyone own or has fired the above. Saw one yesterday ay my LGS. Has decent sights and a quite nice trigger. Felt comfortable in my hand, don't know much about FN.

Reflex is a great little gun that is going to be safe to buy if 10 years from now FN still make and support it.

 

[BreechFace]

I would like to go check one out. My biggest qualm from watching reviews of them is that there is no blade safety in the trigger. I strongly feel a gun without a manual safety should have the trigger blade safety to prevent holster snags, but to each his own. If I carried one I think I would get a kydex holster for that reason.

I don’t see how those offer much protection from that. Much better ways to do a safety.

Anyway, that wouldn’t stop me.

The primary purpose of the “blade, hinged, dongle” triggers is for inertia safety purposes, for when dropped.

Sig already had to go to the drawing board on their trigger shoe design with their Sig P320 (among other changes- see below) to lighten it up on the back side to remove mass to prevent inertial firing on drops.

To me a blade trigger is an dead simple and effective way of providing additional drop safety measures.

To me I find it amusing that people are hung up on that style trigger when we are talking about self-defense firearms. If we are talking about a target pistol or the like I get it, but for me I’m not carrying a firearm that doesn’t have good redundancy of safeties from accidental discharges. And by accidental I mean discharges outside of physical manipulation of the trigger.

Would love for more information on the trigger, sear and safety design of this FN to come out. I’m all for innovation eliminating the need for the trigger blade, but not at the expense of myself or others safety.

 

[Walkalong]

The primary purpose of the “blade, hinged, dongle” triggers is for inertia safety purposes, for when dropped.

Did not know that, makes more sense

 

[Madcap_Magician]

I really like the idea, I'd kind of like a .45.

 

[actionexpress]

I watched honest outlaws review of the reflex and the accuracy…I’m not so sure I want one anymore.

 

[jr_watkins]

Just watched Honest Outlaws review as well, I still want one, sights can easily be adjusted.

 

[CapnMac]

FN, Fabrique Nationale (Presently Fabrique Nationale Herstal) is a long-running rams company headquartered in Bruges, Belgium, that was first founded in 1889.
So, they've been around a while.
The US-based company is FNAmerica.
The Reflex looks interesting, if very much like many of the rest of the current batch of polymer framed firearms.

Is it a good thing? Dunno, still pretty new. Might be as cool as a first bicycle.

 

[Zendude]

From the videos I’ve seen, it looks like the trigger is hinged. The hinge is higher up than the M&P curved trigger.

 

[BreechFace]

@Zendude it does appear to look that way. I

 

[someguy2800]

I watched honest outlaws review of the reflex and the accuracy…I’m not so sure I want one anymore.

I don't know why that would dissuade you, he shot it very well, just didn't have the sights regulated properly. Windage is easy to adjust and the elevation being so far off is likely an isolated incident unlike Kahr who makes all their pistols shoot low for some unexplainable reason.

 

[tarosean]

don't know much about FN.

They have been around longer than most firearm companies now-a-days.

Lots of military contracts, etc.

 

[Walkalong]

don't know why that would dissuade you, he shot it very well, just didn't have the sights regulated properly. Windage

Yea, if it interested me I wouldn’t worry about that, if mine was off I’d get them to fix it. Would be aggravating though

 

[zaitcev]

Lots of military contracts, etc.

FN took over the M4 contract from Colt when they melted down. But now SIG is eating their lunch everywhere else, SAW is getting on its last legs. Circle of life.

 

[tarosean]

FN took over the M4 contract from Colt when they melted down. But now SIG is eating their lunch everywhere else, SAW is getting on its last legs. Circle of life.

There are 193 countries in the world. Now compare their footprint.

 

[BreechFace]

There are 193 countries in the world. Now compare their footprint.

Exactly. Sig has good market share here in the US but head outside of here and Glock, FN have a lot of exposure. CZ and HK as well.

To my knowledge Glock is still the most widely used in military for sidearms when combine their use in the US military (yes Glocks are still used here) along with militaries around the world. This was one of several reason why the SF, and other branches of the US military that have been called to train up foreign fighters desired to carry Glocks. When they go to train foreign fighters such as Iraqi guard or Afghan guard they are already familiar with Glocks.

 

[vindag]

Exactly. Sig has good market share here in the US but head outside of here and Glock, FN have a lot of exposure. CZ and HK as well.

To my knowledge Glock is still the most widely used in military for sidearms when combine their use in the US military (yes Glocks are still used here) along with militaries around the world. This was one of several reason why the SF, and other branches of the US military that have been called to train up foreign fighters desired to carry Glocks. When they go to train foreign fighters such as Iraqi guard or Afghan guard they are already familiar with Glocks.

Also, the Beretta APX is widely used by police, military forces throughout the world, just not in the USA.