FOID Card Stupidity

[Snowdog]

Yeah, but you do need a pistol purchase permit don't you?

That's right, I often forget about that. CCW holders simply show their CCW license in lieu of a handgun permit and walk out with their handgun.

It's been many years since I had to apply for a handgun permit, but I remember it was $5 for a permit/voucher from the Sheriff department that was valid for a few months. If it expired before it was used to purchase a pistol, a new one would have to be applied for.

Another reason to have a CCW in NC I suppose.

 

[rodinal220]

(430 ILCS 65/1.1) (from Ch. 38, par. 83‑1.1)

"Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding, however:
(1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun or
B‑B gun which either expels a single globular projectile not exceeding .18 inch in diameter and which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors;



Yes,you need a FOID to buy/posses air guns that are over .18 caliber or over 700fps,you do not need to fill out a 4473,BATFE does not currently regulate air powered weapons,I have seen some FFLs make you do this,they are in the wrong.You do not need FOID for pellets.





http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilc...tName=Firearm+Owners+Identification+Card+Act.

 

[rodinal220]

430 ILCS 65/16.1) (from Ch. 38, par. 83‑16.1)
Sec. 16.1. A petition for the submission of the proposition shall be in substantially the following form:
To the State Board of Elections
The undersigned, residents and registered voters of the State of Illinois, respectfully petition that you cause to be submitted, in the manner provided by the general election law to the voters of the State of Illinois, at the next State‑wide election, the proposition "Should the General Assembly repeal an Act entitled 'An Act relating to the acquisition, possession and transfer of firearms and firearm ammunition, to provide a penalty for the violation thereof and to make an appropriation in connection therewith', approved August 3, 1967, as amended?"
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Such petition shall conform to the requirements of the general election law. The Board shall certify the question to the proper election officials who shall submit the question at an election in accordance with the general election law. Upon request of any citizen for a reproduced copy of the petition and paying or tendering to the State Board of Elections the costs of making the copy, the Board shall immediately make, or cause to be made a reproduced copy of such petition. The Board shall also deliver to such person his official certification that such copy is a true copy of the original, stating the day when such original was filed in its office.
(Source: P.A. 81‑1489.)


(430 ILCS 65/16‑3) (from Ch. 38, par. 83‑16.3)
Sec. 16‑3. The Secretary of State shall cause the question to be plainly printed upon separate ballots as follows:
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Should the General Assembly repeal the Act
entitled "An Act relating to the acquisition, YES
possession and transfer of firearms and
firearm ammunition, to provide a penalty ‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑
for the violation thereof and to make an
appropriation in connection therewith", NO
approved August 3, 1967, as amended?
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(Source: P.A. 77‑1819.)

 

[bskillet]

Illinois law is intentionally constructed in a way that disarms law-abiding people, while ensuring that criminals have access to weapons (for a "fee" paid to the right individuals). This ensures that organized crime (gangs and mafia) have a relatively unarmed populace they can victimize. The money they expropriate from innocent victims then makes its way into the hands of the Illinois Democrat party.

IL gun control laws have nothing to do with preventing crime. That is not the laws' purpose. The purpose is, like everything else in this !$#^*$@! state, to enrich the limousine liberals in Hyde Park.

 

[Sunray]

"...It's not a real ID..." Happens up here with our Federally issued Possession and Acquisition Licence too. Most shop clerks don't know what it is.

 

[thorazine]

The real kick in the teeth is that 3/4 times when I use it as an ID for purchasing goods other than guns, clerks act like your handing them a card for the Burger King Kid's Club. I can't even count the times i've had people say "It's not a real ID, anyone could get one of those."

Please don't take this wrong, but why in the ...heck...would you use that particular card for ID at any time other than when buying a firearm? Why let random strangers know that you even know what a firearm is? I don't wanna be added to anybody's "lets go burgle" list......

lol because he likes to show off he has guns I guess.

CCW badge type of guy as well -- probably.

 

[rodinal220]

Here is another common scam with the FOID Act. FFLs charge more than the $2 that the State charges them. FFLs will lie to you and say "its State law".Well here ya go,right from the Statutes mouth.


(430 ILCS 65/3.1) (from Ch. 38, par. 83‑3.1)
Sec. 3.1. Dial up system.
(a) The Department of State Police shall provide a dial up telephone system or utilize other existing technology which shall be used by any federally licensed firearm dealer, gun show promoter, or gun show vendor who is to transfer a firearm, stun gun, or taser under the provisions of this Act. The Department of State Police may utilize existing technology which allows the caller to be charged a fee not to exceed $2. Fees collected by the Department of State Police shall be deposited in the State Police Services Fund and used to provide the service.


http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilc...tName=Firearm+Owners+Identification+Card+Act.

 

[05FLHT]

lol because he likes to show off he has guns I guess.

CCW badge type of guy as well -- probably.

Sometimes it is less to show off and more to educate a populace that does not know any better. I have "see ID" on the back of my debit/credit cards and will often show my UT or FL permit as "ID."

In Illinois, citizens being able to carry firearms openly or concealed is unheard of. Showing the permit is almost always a "conversation starter," and a chance to educate another person who was probably indoctrinated with the belief only the police and criminals carry a gun.

Unless you know the reason somebody does something, you may want to hold off on making any assumptions. Although, I will agree that a CCW "badge" warrants ridicule.

 

[msb45]

I bought some ammo on vacation with my PA drivers license. Lady was wondering why I bought 6 boxes. I said it was a good deal on Golden Saber 45 for my carry gun. She freaked, manager standing next to here told her to just be quiet and complete the sale. Most people don't know freedom.

 

[Dr.Zubrato]

I think the most ridiculous thing about the FOID, is that it's necessary just to hold an unloaded gun at the store, and first time shooters need a FOID card before they can think about renting a firearm.
I hope the SCOTUS rules in favor of throwing out the chicago gun ban, but I think Dailey is going to make things much worse before they get better

 

[stickhauler]

Damn, I'm glad I'm a Buckeye!

 

[Fleetwood_Captain]

You can purchase ammo components without a FOID in IL. I have done it tons of times, at any and all local gunshops within a 50 mile radius. I always felt that was funny, you cant buy ammo, but you can buy brass, primers, powder, and bullets. I dont get it.

Well actually, everyone around where I live makes you show a FOID for primers and powders also. Back in the late 90's, the Lake County gun show was shut down because of a FOID ammunition sting. An undercover cop bought some ammo from a booth, showing his FOID card, bought some ammo, and walked away. He came back a little while later, and bought more ammo from the same guy. Only this time the vendor didn't ask to see his FOID card again, as he had already seen it about an hour earlier. The cop arrested the guy for an illegal ammo sale, and the show has been shut down ever since.

Needless to say, vendors up in the burbs are VERY paranoid about the whole FOID thing.

 

[JoeMal]

I don't use my FOID for anything except for firearms and ammo. However, there was one instance where I was opening a new bank account and they needed several forms of ID with a picture. My DL and FOID was all I had that contained a picture...the bank happily accepted it

 

[lilguy]

I have had a FOID for 38 years, it has not limited my participation in the shooting sports to any extent. I never use it as an ID, no sense announcing you're a gun owner. We will never repeal FOID, It will be allowed under "reasonable gun laws" as per the SCOTUS. The McDonald ruling, expected tomorrow, will allow new regulation everywhere, be prepared.

 

[BCCL]

I have had a FOID for 38 years, it has not limited my participation in the shooting sports to any extent.

Yes it has, it limits participation to those that have payed the fee and been subjected to an Unconstitutional infringement on our rights.

We need to be working to throw it out, not complacently accepting it.

 

[Fleetwood_Captain]

What really gets me though is how SCOTUS has determine it is illegal to charge a "poll tax" for people that exercise their right to vote, yet charging people a tax to own firearms and ammunition is legal?

Like I said, People's Republic of Illinois...

 

[TexasBill]

Doesn't Illinois have elections? Can't the citizens of Illinois (at least outside of Cook County) tap another source to replace the never-ending stream of bozos that seem to get elected? Daley and his antics would be an embarrassment to any city.

Like most of the members of this board, I am hopeful Chicago comes up a big loser when the Supreme Court issues its decision. Perhaps some of the members of this group aren't aware of it, but 58 U.S. Senators and 251 U.S. Representatives went on record supporting McDonald. If this was a law, it would most likely pass easily. Even if the President vetoed it (unlikely), just eight more votes would be needed to override.

Yes, if the Supreme Court rules against Chicago, the pols will do all they can to mess it up. However, the legal die will have been cast and lower courts will be more inclined to rule against restrictions since they have a guiding ruling from the Supreme Court.

The FOID card could become a bad memory in your lifetime...

 

[ljnowell]

Doesn't Illinois have elections? Can't the citizens of Illinois (at least outside of Cook County) tap another source to replace the never-ending stream of bozos that seem to get elected? Daley and his antics would be an embarrassment to any city.

What peopel who dont live in IL dont understand is that we cant get rid of these crooks. Its common knowledge in these parts that you cannot get rid of the chicago corruption and the Daley regime because they will not allow it. Dead people vote, illegal people vote, etc. They keep the poor masses under thier wing with social programs and ensure that they get the vote from them.

The Cook County method of voting is "Vote early and often."

 

[lilguy]

Lighten up BCCL, It's more irritating dealing with the DMV than ISP. Either way tomorrow the SCOTUS will bolster the right of states to enact "reasonable" gun laws. FOID is NOT going away, it's validity will be affirmed. Other left leaning states and locals may move to implement such a registration scheme.

 

[ServiceSoon]

We know the problem of IL, what's the solution?

 

[mustang_steve]

Hey, get used to it....I tried to get the address on my florida driver's license changed in a Florida DMV....apparently my license isn't good enough to get a replacement license.

The joy of federal acts.....I'm not impressed.

 

[TexasBill]

Lighten up BCCL, It's more irritating dealing with the DMV than ISP. Either way tomorrow the SCOTUS will bolster the right of states to enact "reasonable" gun laws. FOID is NOT going away, it's validity will be affirmed. Other left leaning states and locals may move to implement such a registration scheme.

It's possible but I think a successful challenge could be mounted that the state is taxing or licensing a Constitutional right. This is where work needs to be done after Heller. The interesting thing is a favorable incorporation ruling could open the doors to federal preemption of firearms regulation.

 

[Nanook]

In 1971, I bought a Sheridan 5mm air rifle. I had to obtain an FOID to be allowed to buy this air rilfe.

I should have left this lousy state then. I would have been money ahead in Indiana, not to mention more freedoms. A friend of mine moved across the border, and he's saved $3000 every year since in real estate taxes.

He's been there around 14 years now, and that's over $40,000 saved from the clutches of politicians in Illinois.

I'll be joining him soon, but I wish I did it years ago.

 

[lilguy]

Good point TB, we will see where we are tomorrow after the decision and where the fight takes us next.

Good luck to us all.

 

[BCCL]

Lighten up BCCL, It's more irritating dealing with the DMV than ISP.

Really? When has the DMV taken 60-90 days to renew your drivers license? In the last year, I've had friends and family that their FOID renewal has taken that long, even though the law mandates that the ISP do it in 30 days. Which made them technically felons while waiting.

Either way tomorrow the SCOTUS will bolster the right of states to enact "reasonable" gun laws. FOID is NOT going away, it's validity will be affirmed. Other left leaning states and locals may move to implement such a registration scheme.

They certainly will as long as they are getting passive acceptance like that.