For AR and/or AK guys....

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It's been pointed out that my original post might have too broad a scope, I should have simplified it by eliminating all semi-auto options since there are many other semi auto's out there that effectively do the same thing an AR does. Pull the trigger, send a bullet.....if I could go back and restructure the thread a lil differently I'd have probably just asked people for their input on scenario B.

(Scenario A)
It might be interesting to challenge yourself to consider what your primary go to defensive arm would be if AR's were banned or didn’t exist, whatever the case you don't have access to your favorite AR carbine anymore. In the case that AR's don't exist, what would you invest your time training and practicing with, stocking ammo for, etc?

For the sake of the general theme of the thread, AK's don't exist either. Everything else is on the table but to keep it interesting youre limited to making your decision with 10rds max in mind (may effect peoples choice of firearm and cartridge). I don't know if it's in part due to the general anxiety of what seems like inevitable restrictions or bans, or just wanting to be practical and prepared, but seems how the AR is one of the most popular firearms in the country, what would you turn to for a primary go to defensive gun in its absence? Pump Shotgun,
lever action? Big revolver? FAL?

(Scenario B)
In that hypothetical vein, it might also be interesting to hear what folks would take up if detachable box fed semi auto's were off the table so for me I think I'd turn my attention to good quality pump action 12ga shotguns for their versatility, I have bought a few and think it's probably not a bad idea to have some good practice with them and a good supply of shells. I think the first thing to fly off the shelves in the event of major restrictions or bans would probably be quality pumps like Mossberg, Remingtons, Benelli, Beretta, etc...

If it were just a case of AR/AK platforms don't exist or aren't available, I think I'd choose a Mini-14. I know it's not really thinking that far out of the box and I'd considered the M1A as well as a lever gun in .357 or .44mag, but I think if the AR wasn't in the deck I'd choose a Mini-14 w/ 5 and 10rd magazines. Versatile, lightweight gun and lightweight intermediate cartridge good for a number of tasks and the convenience of detachable box mags. Plus, it reminds me of a garand.

So for me:
Scenario (A) Mini-14
Scenario (B) Remington 870 or other quality pump action shotgun.
 
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12 gauge pump is a no brainer for home defense or close range defense. Even now before any bans.

The 30-30 lever gun, or the 357/44 lever gun is hard to beat for dependable firepower. The 30-30 is currently my go to, and will remain so. But I'd like a pistol caliber lever gun again, and likely the 357 would be my choice then.

But there's another choice, the sks. Maybe it isn't the best for everything because it loads from clips but it's in the right power range and reasonably fast to reload.

Being a reloader, I'm not really concerned with ammo availability so that doesn't play a factor for me. But from a reloading standpoint 38/357 is easiest then 30-30, then 44, then 39 Russian, for brass availability.
 
If I can still have AR magazines, maybe this ...
both scenarios.

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I have 2 12ga shotguns that work for home defense and a 45 Colt lever. My AR stuff is cute but a shotgun is more effective
 
I mean no AR-15’s isn’t really all that restrictive. Other than some nice ergonomic elements, and the modularity of the AR-15 platform functionally there are tons of other equivalent guns on the market.

and I mean if you want to get really technical most guns we call AR-15’s aren’t technically AR-15’s they are modern sporting rifles “AR-15” is still an active trademark of colt so unless you have a colt ar-15 you most likely have a modern sporting rifle which is virtually identical to an AR-15 in everything but name.

better question would be “if you couldn’t have any guns that California calls an assault rifle”

as for scenario B I would go for something with a tube magazine probably a lever action in 30-30 or something.
 
DustyGMT:

If ARs did not exist, and neither did my Czech VZ-58 or Zastava ZPAP plus Maadi AKMs, there is one more choice: these are built with German tooling brought over as a "factory"
from Portugal; producing most components and assembled in South Carolina:

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An -identical- first 'battle-rifle' arrived about a week ago, and it's also my first .308 in semi-auto.
It's a clone of the HK-91, the PTR-91. There is just one reason why I will probably use only 2-3 boxes of .308 per club visit with the PTR: the higher cost for shooting .308. It is the most fun rifle I've ever used.:)

Minor sidennote: steel-cased ammo is Highly recommended o_O for HKs/PTRs due to the violent extraction/ejection process. Weak brass can tear (despite gas through chamber flutings), whereas steel-cased ammo remains intact while being blasted to the rear and side.

This rifle is "the icing on the cake", immed. after shooting the ZPAP or Czech VZ.
 
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If there were no ARs I'd be like Lonewolf, and go with the Tavor.

Unless you're talking no semi-autos at all...
I sort of have that area covered already.

I would not feel out gunned were I armed with only my modified No 4 Mk1*.
The 16.5" barrel, and red dot makes it handy, and very fast on target.
Now, 303 British isn't all that easy to get these days, but it's a very capable round, and I'd have 10 of them on tap, in the fastest bolt action out there.

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I also have a smaller, lighter option for close in (150 yds and under) work. This one is even a takedown, so it travels well.
My "Combat Cowboy Carbine", a Chiappa 1892 Alaskan in .44 magnum. It has a 16" barrel, a red dot, and a weapon mounted light.
This is what I would have with me when traveling to commie states that even today don't like the AR platform.

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(Scenario A)
It might be interesting to challenge yourself to consider what your primary go to defensive arm would be if AR's were banned or didn’t exist, whatever the case you don't have access to your favorite AR carbine anymore. In the case that AR's don't exist, what would you invest your time training and practicing with, stocking ammo for, etc?

For the sake of the general theme of the thread, AK's don't exist either. Everything else is on the table but to keep it interesting youre limited to making your decision with 10rds max in mind (may effect peoples choice of firearm and cartridge). I don't know if it's in part due to the general anxiety of what seems like inevitable restrictions or bans, or just wanting to be practical and prepared, but seems how the AR is one of the most popular firearms in the country, what would you turn to for a primary go to defensive gun in its absence? Pump Shotgun,
lever action? Big revolver? FAL?

(Scenario B)
In that hypothetical vein, it might also be interesting to hear what folks would take up if detachable box fed semi auto's were off the table so for me I think I'd turn my attention to good quality pump action 12ga shotguns for their versatility, I have bought a few and think it's probably not a bad idea to have some good practice with them and a good supply of shells. I think the first thing to fly off the shelves in the event of major restrictions or bans would probably be quality pumps like Mossberg, Remingtons, Benelli, Beretta, etc...

If it were just a case of AR/AK platforms don't exist or aren't available, I think I'd choose a Mini-14. I know it's not really thinking that far out of the box and I'd considered the M1A as well as a lever gun in .357 or .44mag, but I think if the AR wasn't in the deck I'd choose a Mini-14 w/ 5 and 10rd magazines. Versatile, lightweight gun and lightweight intermediate cartridge good for a number of tasks and the convenience of detachable box mags. Plus, it reminds me of a garand.

So for me:
Scenario (A) Mini-14
Scenario (B) Remington 870 or other quality pump action shotgun.
44 lever action without question. 12 GA pump would be a good option too
 
Too many semiauto carbines and rifles to count would fit the bill. SKS, FAL, M1A, M1 Carbine, Garand, ...

Then there are pump and lever action rifles. Pistol caliber lever guns to go with revolvers, pump action 7600s

Then all sorts of handy bolt guns. SMLE, Ruger American, CZs, Ticas, etc.

The bench is deep in this regard.
 
I don't see my AR's as HD guns. Handguns fill that niche. So there would be no change for us. The AR's live in the gun safes, so it would take far too long to access them.
 
A shotgun is one of the most versatile weapon systems in existence. For self defense, for hunting, for hunting, you name it. A 20ga with slugs and a rifle barrel can serve you out to 100 yards or more. Slugs out of a smooth bore a bit less than that. When you need to defend yourself indoors or you don"t feel like using slugs you can switch to shot, of which there are MANY types.
 
If they take the AR and AK's, that means all evil black rifles are probably off the table.

Mini-14/30 or M-1 Carbine for detachable mags, SKS for non-detachable.

If that scenario ever plays out, the rifles above may become too valuable to even consider shooting. lol
 
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