For AR and/or AK guys....

[brmiller]

If they come after 'assault rifles', they'd come after my old PTR 91. So maybe something like this?

https://www.browning.com/products/firearms/rifles/bar/bar-mk3-stalker-detachable-magazine.html

 

[Buzznrose]

Too many semiauto carbines and rifles to count would fit the bill. SKS, FAL, M1A, M1 Carbine, Garand, ...

Then there are pump and lever action rifles. Pistol caliber lever guns to go with revolvers, pump action 7600s

Then all sorts of handy bolt guns. SMLE, Ruger American, CZs, Ticas, etc.

The bench is deep in this regard.

I agree with HSO…I’d expect if AR go away, all its sisters and cousins go too.

So if I’m picking a gun for defending hearth and home from what’s still available today, it’s probably gonna be a lever action rifle, the original “assault weapon”…LOL!

And a good shotgun will be a must have too…just as it is today.

 

[BreechFace]

Probably a CZ Bren 2

 

[DustyGmt]

I agree with HSO…I’d expect if AR go away, all its sisters and cousins go too.

So if I’m picking a gun for defending hearth and home from what’s still available today, it’s probably gonna be a lever action rifle, the original “assault weapon”…LOL!

And a good shotgun will be a must have too…just as it is today.

That'd be my guess, if AR's and the like should go, the shelves will be empty of basically all pump and semi auto shotguns and lever actions and the prices would make us choke.

I think it'd be wise to have these things on hand ahead of any new legislation that may or may not come.

 

[trackskippy]

If they come after 'assault rifles', they'd come after my old PTR 91. So maybe something like this?

https://www.browning.com/products/firearms/rifles/bar/bar-mk3-stalker-detachable-magazine.html

If that's the way you're thinking, your head ain't on right.

 

[brmiller]

If that's the way you're thinking, your head ain't on right.

Care to elaborate?

 

[trackskippy]

It sounds like youre planning on giving in and acquessing. If it gets around to them coming for your guns, what it is or looks like, isnt going to matter.

Just look what happened in Australia and has been going on there for the past couple of years with just the covid BS.

 

[CapnMac]

Probably it would be
M-1 Carbine
M-1 Garand
And if no self-loaders, then one of the Winchester toggle-lock lever actions.

 

[brmiller]

It sounds like youre planning on giving in and acquessing. If it gets around to them coming for your guns, what it is or looks like, isnt going to matter.

Just look what happened in Australia and has been going on there for the past couple of years with just the covid BS.

It was a simple answer to a simple question. I made no mention of my plans for the future/possible future Sir.

 

[trackskippy]

The simple answer is to keep your AR or AK. No need to try an appease anyone, certainly anyone that's never going to be appeased.

 

[Bazoo]

What choice do you have but to give up your gun if it's banned? Getting caught with it later is only going to end two ways.

1, you'll either have a shootout with the cops and go down in a hail of bullets, be on the news as a crazy, adding more fuel to the anti gun fire.

2, go to prison and be a felon after 5-10 years away from your family. Hardship for your wife and kids while you're in and no legal firearms ownership when out.

Much better to give up your assault rifle, and switch to lever guns, and live to fight another day. If it ever breaks out into civil war, we will need all the patriots alive we can get. Stockpiling ammo and components and weapons to help the cause the whole time.

 

[DustyGmt]

What choice do you have but to give up your gun if it's banned? Getting caught with it later is only going to end two ways.

1, you'll either have a shootout with the cops and go down in a hail of bullets, be on the news as a crazy, adding more fuel to the anti gun fire.

2, go to prison and be a felon after 5-10 years away from your family. Hardship for your wife and kids while you're in and no legal firearms ownership when out.

Much better to give up your assault rifle, and switch to lever guns, and live to fight another day. If it ever breaks out into civil war, we will need all the patriots alive we can get. Stockpiling ammo and components and weapons to help the cause the whole time.

I sort of agree, but cant really imagine myself peacefully surrendering any of my private property. Being the starter of the thread, I don't want to steer it into too much craziness, but mass non compliance and refusal could be a useful tool to thwart any such attempts to enforce unconstitutional "laws".

They are smarter than that though, I doubt we would see any door to door gun grabs, they'll just keep taking a chunk at a time like they have been doing so the people can't act in a cohesive fashion. Just my opinion. It will just happen in lil dribs and drabs here and there. They've been playing the long game, so far.

 

[Heir Kommt Die Sonne]

I sort of agree, but cant really imagine myself peacefully surrendering any of my private property.

Would be illegal for them to take it anyway. We bought this stuff before theoretical ban takes place, it's legal for us to have even if it becomes illegal to transfer it to anybody.
I won't delve more into this subject because I respect your wishes to stick to the subject of the thread.

My Cadence in my previous post is my answer to scenario A. As for Scenario B, either from a handful of my bolt action rifles or maybe I'll bite the 44-40 bullet and get a lever action.
Assuming if we become like Canada, the M1 Garand may be only semi-auto still legal in such a world so if that is the case for our hypothetical future, i'd just stick with one of those.

 

[AlexanderA]

What choice do you have but to give up your gun if it's banned?

90% of the "banned" guns would simply go underground. Could not see the light of day, but would be there nonetheless. After that, it would be a matter of attrition, as the owners died off and their heirs turned them in.

The point being, any gun ban would not be instantaneous. It would take generations, and by that time circumstances could change completely.

 

[jmr40]

This, or something similar 10 times out of 10 over a lever or pump if semi-autos are not an option. And if they take AR's and AK's the Ruger Mini14 is gone too as are all other semi-autos.



I have versions in 223 and this 308. Compared to levers it is lighter, more compact, more reliable, more accurate, costs less, is faster to reload, more powerful, and ammo is easier to find. Try finding anything in stores right now other than 9mm, 223, and 308.

Rate of fire is surprisingly close. Rate of AIMED fire is the same. And they can be fired from supported positions or from behind cover whereas levers require you to stand up and be exposed to return fire. Most, but not all, of those advantages apply to pump rifles as well.

 

[Bazoo]

This, or something similar 10 times out of 10 over a lever or pump if semi-autos are not an option. And if they take AR's and AK's the Ruger Mini14 is gone too as are all other semi-autos.

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I have versions in 223 and this 308. Compared to levers it is lighter, more compact, more reliable, more accurate, costs less, is faster to reload, more powerful, and ammo is easier to find. Try finding anything in stores right now other than 9mm, 223, and 308.

Rate of fire is surprisingly close. Rate of AIMED fire is the same. And they can be fired from supported positions or from behind cover whereas levers require you to stand up and be exposed to return fire. Most, but not all, of those advantages apply to pump rifles as well.

In what way does a bolt action rifle allow fire from behind cover that a leveraction doesn't? You don't have to stand to fire a lever action.

 

[Tinker-S]

Same as it is for backing up the AR; my Ithaca 37, and Taurus PT1911. The AR is more SWMBO's HD gun anyway.

Just a question: How old is the Ithaca?
I have heard fantastic stories from some people who served during the VietNam conflict and did business with those shotguns.

 

[Tinker-S]

DustyGMT:

If ARs did not exist, and neither did my Czech VZ-58 or Zastava ZPAP plus Maadi AKMs, there is one more choice: these are built with German tooling brought over as a "factory"
from Portugal; producing most components and assembled here in South Carolina:

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An -identical- first 'battle-rifle' arrived about a week ago, and it's also my first .308 in semi-auto.
It's a clone of the HK-91, the PTR-91. There is just one reason why I will probably use only 2-3 boxes of .308 per club visit with the PTR: the higher cost for shooting .308. It is the most fun rifle I've ever used.

Minor sidennote: steel-cased ammo is Highly recommended for HKs/PTRs due to the violent extraction/ejection process. Weak brass can tear (despite gas through chamber fluting), whereas steel-cased ammo remains intact while being blasted to the rear.

Not to start any controversy, but I thought that CETME in Spain was the factory where the faithful ones were produced.

 

[DustyGmt]

I know semi-autos rule the realm in terms of defensive rifles and for good reason, but I do know of some older folks who don't really care for anything semi-auto and I'm just curious why there isn't more bolt action rifles with iron sights on them, more specifically iron sighted bolt action rifles that shoot intermediate cartridges like .223, 7.62x39, .300BO, .458, .450, etc... I would think they would be pretty popular, the Ruger American series of rifles kind of fulfill that role nicely but they are lacking because they are not equipped with irons. I would honestly be very much interested in a bolt gun chambered for 5.56 if it had a nice quality aperture irons and a detachable box mag.

 

[Ignition Override]

Tinker-S. That is true about CETME.

A key factor which sold me on the modern PTR-91 rifle is the source of the equipment which they acquired for their US plant.

DustyGmt:About 12 years ago in a sporting store near the Sheraton Fashion Square Mall —our crew hotel in Saginaw MI—i handled a clever “derivative” of the Enfield no. 5 “Jungle”.

It was in 7.62x39 and I read that the company was Australian (?), and might have had it manufactured in Vietnam (?).

They seem to have sent a very limited quantity to the US.

Maybe they had a “quality “ issue which killed the marketing demand?
This might have become a very popular rifle with its iron sights.

 

[Tinker-S]

I see a lot of nice rifles, but I picture a lot of discarded weapons when the owners get really tired of lugging them and the ammo. I remember how heavy 7.62 x 51 becomes. 120 rounds is all I would carry, and if the rifle is semi-auto, I will be running on empty very soon.
I would pick an M1 carabine. Not too heavy, but somewhat effective ammo.
Of course, I am old and slow now.

 

[entropy]

Just a question: How old is the Ithaca?
I have heard fantastic stories from some people who served during the VietNam conflict and did business with those shotguns.

Mid 80's, and yes it has a disconnector. My Model 12 doesn't, but with a 30" full barrel, it's not going to see home protection duty.

 

[Tinker-S]

Tinker-S. That is true about CETME.

A key factor which sold me on the modern PTR-91 rifle is the source of the equipment which they acquired for their US plant.

PTR-91 rifles are very good, for what I read. I got to fire one a few years back, but I decided not not purchase one just because of the issues down the road and how expensive it could get to repair. How is yours performing? Any issues at all?

 

[Tinker-S]

Mid 80's, and yes it has a disconnector. My Model 12 doesn't, but with a 30" full barrel, it's not going to see home protection duty.

Nice!

 

[entropy]

Having a disconnector mean it can't be slamfired. I wouldn't do it anyway, it's hard on the gun, and not very accurate. (At least the one time I tried it with a beat up 97.)