JR24
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They are nice but I wish they would have just kept the old 225/P6 as is. I can't define exactly why but my old p6 felt better in the hand.
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They are nice but I wish they would have just kept the old 225/P6 as is. I can't define exactly why but my old p6 felt better in the hand.
Old Dog
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Ah, but there's room for both in one's collection!
wally
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I don't see your point. Sure they have had some teething issues with new guns, but they sure took care of the P320 issue in a way that sets the standard for how to handle it. Got my P320 back in a week and I love shooting it!
No comparison to how Taurus has handled their "fire when dropped" issues that required a class-action lawsuit to get them to even admit there was an issue. Don't get me started on how poorly they have handled the situation.
Don't do that, it makes me curious about them. What kind of trigger does it have? I sure like the Sig P-365 trigger.
ArchAngelCD
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The hook is set, nothing left to do but reel him in!
JR24
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It's a DA/SA trigger like any of the classic p series guns. The original p225/p6 (IIRC) was a scaled down p220.
It's kinda between the 239 and 229 in size. Fits my hand much better than the 239 and is a good compromise size for a single stack belt gun, if that's your thing.
I got rid of mine since a guy I knew needed an HD gun and had very little money, and i had gotten a good shape trade in for less than $300. My only regret was not picking up a pristine condition one for $400 a few years ago. I dont like DA/SA and already had a 229 and P07 but still, it is a nice SIG.
For reference both the 239 and 365 are far too small for my hands.
Old Dog
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Not gonna lie, the DA pull is fairly heavy, but smooth; the SA pull has a bit of slack, but a clean, pretty crisp break. It does, however, have the SRT, which of course is delightful when shooting multiple shots.
Frankly, I never saw the purpose in a single-stack 9mm until first confronted with the original P-225 and I think the new 225 is vastly improved in terms of ergonomics, trigger, accuracy and the sights.
Typical trigger is like gen 3 with a good trigger job or like Performance Center S&W. Unless your trigger finger can curl 15lb dumbell avoid stock police surlus P6 easily identified by notch in hammer spur for some kind of retention strap.
NIGHTLORD40K
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The "notch" is a drop impact indicator. If the pistol is dropped hard enough to pinch shut the gap, then the hammer and sear are supposed to be replaced.
Hmmmm, never found the DA pull to be particularly heavy, this is one of my favorite handguns.
But then again my gun hand has been getting plenty of exercise since I got the Internet..........typing of course. Geez, what did you think I meant?
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Glock called their fix to the guns not being drop safe the "Safety Enhancement Package" in 1992. It has to do with liability. If they called it a recall, it's a huge mess compared to calling it an upgrade.
The hook is set, nothing left to do but reel him in!
Hell, the hook has been set in me for months, the only problem is finding a store with one in stock that isn't charging 20% over MSRP. I'd have one, if the gun shops with the good prices could get any in their doors.
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Done with Taurus for the same reason. SIG did not handle the 320 well. They denied any issues till enough public pressure was brought down on them. They kept pushing them out to market knowing they had problems.
JR24
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And continually advertising them, specifically, as drop safe without the dongle on their website.
Patocazador
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After decades of drooling over various Sigs, I bought a new old generation P239 in .40 with a .357 extra barrel. I have had nothing but growing admiration for it over the last 3 years. It has passed every test that I have put it through. I am pretty rough on guns. To me they are tools and I treat them as such. My P239 "tool" has held up.
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Hokkmike
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The lifetime warranty for original purchaser is a double edged sword. Glad to have; hate to have to use it. Sadly, I wouldn't buy a SIG any other way these days. I have the 365. So far. so good - but fear creeps around the corner with every shot. My Glock helps me sleep better...
texagun
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Stick with the older classic German-made guns and you likely will not have any of the problems you might encounter with the current run of Sigs. Their reputation is based on the older German-made guns.
stonebuster
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It seems a lot of manufacturer's QC is not what it once was or should be. If the customer service is good and they fix the problem in a timely way I could live with it. If not it's unacceptable and Sig's reputation and sales will suffer in the long run. My only Sig is a P226 Legion 9mm I've had for two years and put @3000 rounds through it. Three different manufacturer's 115 gr. FMJ factory ammo with not one FTF, FTE, jams or any other malfunctions. It's accuracy is only limited by my capabilities.
Real old ones were imported by Browning. I passed on one because it was chambered for odd ball cartridge called .38 Super. This meant poor ammo selection and expensive to shoot.
Old Dog
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Bah. Discounting the initial issues with the P-320 and P-365, one likely will not have any problems with "the current run of SIGs." I own at least 8 SIG P-series pistols manufactured since 2013, and I'll stake their reliability, durability and accuracy against any current production semi-autos in their class.
While I own several West German proof-marked and German manufactured SIGs (and treasure them), many of the current SIG models have substantial improvements on the older models.
My question to the SIG snobs who routinely post stuff such as, "Their reputation is based on the older German-made guns" is how many SIGs have you personally owned and do you own now?
I own 5 SIGs. Two P320s, one P250, and two P229s. None of them are German-made, although one of my P229s has a West German manufactured frame.
I have had no issues with the P229s. I had to send both P320s back to SIG for the "voluntary upgrade". The process was not terribly painful, but I would have preferred it not to have been necessary. I have had no issues with the P250 which I purchased used, but I made very sure it was not a first generation model. Those pistols had a very troubled roll-out.
I am interested in a P365 and might own one someday, but I am holding off for now until I can judge the reliability of the pistols with a recent build date. I would not consider buying one with a build date prior to July under any circumstances.
I have had no issues with the P229s. I had to send both P320s back to SIG for the "voluntary upgrade". The process was not terribly painful, but I would have preferred it not to have been necessary. I have had no issues with the P250 which I purchased used, but I made very sure it was not a first generation model. Those pistols had a very troubled roll-out.
I am interested in a P365 and might own one someday, but I am holding off for now until I can judge the reliability of the pistols with a recent build date. I would not consider buying one with a build date prior to July under any circumstances.
JR24
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My USA made P229 stands up just fine to my German and w German p220 and p245
That pistol had some collector value.
I'd read that there were fewer than 600 imported...sounded low
NIGHTLORD40K
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Five now. All German proofed. P250 and P238 no longer, though both were nice enough guns despite their troubled introductions.But of course they built their reputation for bulletproof reliability on the German guns, just as Chevy built theirs on the small block V8, Ford on the 9-inch differential, and Mercedes Benz on the 3.0 Diesel. Each of these manufacturers profited from the legend of these designs for years after they ceased producing them. That's not to say they made no other good vehicles, but they certainly weren't above using that rep. to push some shoddy junk to the masses, either.
SIG is a corporation running on greed, as all are, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's called capitalism. They will make the guns only as good as they need to be to continue selling. If we stop buying, they will make them better. If sales are brisk, they will try to incorporate further cost-cutting until units sold start to drop again.
Hi, my name is Nightlord, and I'm a SIG snob........oh, no thanks on the Kool-Aid, but I will take a doughnut.....
jar
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Only one Sig left, my 230, but owned 226, 225, 2009 as well and never had any issues with any of them.
Capt.Roll
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I own two Sig's; P229 in .40 and the P320RX in 9mm. Purchased the P229 in 1994, not one issue with it and a whole lot of rounds. I don't even keep track anymore.
I purchased the P320 a month ago for IDPA and USPSA matches. Didn't even break it in before shooting my first match with it. I have 850 rounds through it as of today with my 9mm reloads. No failure to feed, fire or ejects; not one issue thus far other than the operator needs to improve.
My son has a P229 in .40 and my daughter has the P238; both run without problems.
I purchased the P320 a month ago for IDPA and USPSA matches. Didn't even break it in before shooting my first match with it. I have 850 rounds through it as of today with my 9mm reloads. No failure to feed, fire or ejects; not one issue thus far other than the operator needs to improve.
My son has a P229 in .40 and my daughter has the P238; both run without problems.
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