Form 1 Fingerprint Forms

[giggitygiggity]

As part of the 41F nonsense, all trustees must submit FD-248 fingerprint cards as part of a form 1 application. Who can take the fingerprints and fill out the FD-248 cards? The below question and response from the ATF's website provides some clarity.

"Q. May a Federal firearms licensee fingerprint a customer? As an FFL dealer, can we fingerprint our customers?

A. Fingerprints may be taken by anyone who is properly equipped to take them (see instructions on ATF Form 1, Form 4, Form 5, and Form 5320.23). Therefore, applicants may utilize the service of any business or government agency that is properly equipped to take fingerprints."

Can I take my own prints and the prints of my trustees if I have an ink pad since I am "properly equipped"?

I ask this because the question is somewhat ambiguous as it says that they may be taken by "anyone", but in the next sentence it says that applicants "may utilize the service of any business or government agency that is properly equipped to take fingerprints" and does not also include "individual/person" in the second sentence.

If I can roll the prints myself, that will save significant time because I can avoid having to have my 5 trustees find a police department or FFL or some other business or government agency and possibly pay a fee to obtain fingerprints. However, I don't want to do it myself, get my application rejected and have to wait longer for my permission slip to come back.

Can someone please provide clarification (preferably someone who has done it before or perhaps one of our forum's lawyers)? Thanks!

 

[Theohazard]

I'm not a lawyer, nor can I offer you a definitive answer on this. That said, I know more than one person who has submitted their own fingerprints and been approved.

In fact, Silencer Shop, the largest silencer distributor and retailer in the country, sells a packet that assists you in rolling your own fingerprints. Silencer Shop has worked directly with the ATF on many legal issues and -- as prominent as they are -- I'm sure they have lawyers who advise them on these matters. I highly doubt they'd encourage and enable their customers to do their own fingerprints if it wasn't OK with the ATF.

 

[Theohazard]

As part of the 41F nonsense

Sure, adding the fingerprint and photograph requirements to trusts and corporations is a pain, but overall 41F was a huge win for gun owners. It completely did away with the CLEO sign-off for individuals. So now we all have a choice to apply as an individual, not just or a corporation or a trust. Many of us who lived under anti-gun CLEOs didn't have that option before 41F. In many places a trust or corporation -- and the costs that go along with a good one -- used to be many people's only option.

 

[243winxb]

FD-258

The fingerprint cards must be completed by your local law enforcement authority.

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/qa/how-do-i-get-my-fingerprints-taken

But you said FD-248? Different?

Back in 1979 , law enforcement had to do the finger printing and sign form to buy a M16.

May be very different today? ?

 

[243winxb]

On FD-258

THIS CARD FOR USE BY:
1. LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN FINGERPRINTING APPLICANTS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT POSITIONS.*
2. OFFICIALS OF STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR PURPOSES OF EMPLOYMENT, LICENSING, AND
PERMITS, AS AUTHORIZED BY STATE STATUTES AND APPROVED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE
UNITED STATES. LOCAL AND COUNTY ORDINANCES, UNLESS SPECIFICALLY BASED ON APPLICABLE
STATE STATUTES DO NOT SATISFY THIS REQUIREMENT.*
3. U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND OTHER ENTITIES REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW.**
4. OFFICIALS OF FEDERALLY CHARTERED OR INSURED BANKING INSTITUTIONS TO PROMOTE OR MAINTAIN
THE SECURITY OF THOSE INSTITUTIONS.

 

[Theohazard]

The fingerprint cards used for purchasing NFA items are FD-258. My guess is the OP made a mistake.

 

[243winxb]

May not hurt to ask/email this company.? https://www.identogo.com/services/fingerprint-card

Because many government organizations (i.e. Department of Immigration) require physical copies of your fingerprints, many IdentoGO Centers offer the ability to digitally collect an applicant’s fingerprint images and then print them onto a standard fingerprint card (FD-258).

 

[Carl N. Brown]

When Tennessee started its shall-issue handgun carry permit program, the state Department of Safety personnel responsible for initiating the background checks had start up problems doing fingerprint cards acceptable to the FBI. (By the time I applied for mine, they had the process right.) I am not sure that I could take an ink pad and a fingerprint card and do one that met FBI standards.

 

[dogtown tom]

FD-258

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/qa/how-do-i-get-my-fingerprints-taken

But you said FD-248? Different?

Back in 1979 , law enforcement had to do the finger printing and sign form to buy a M16.

May be very different today? ?

You are linking to the section on EXPLOSIVES........not firearms. And it references the wrong print card.

When submitting fingerprints for firearms anyone properly equipped (with a fingerprint scanner or ink pad) can do it.
For submitting fingerprints for explosives licensing (an FEL) prints must be taken by an LE agency.