Former NFL player killed by ND while cleaning gun

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"It appears it may have been an accident," Clouser said. "He was in the process of cleaning his gun. It appears that he had his dinette table covered with newspapers and he had the tools out to clean the gun with."

I know it's been beaten to death, but when things are worth remembering I say we beat them some more, and after that we beat it again: MAKE SURE YOUR GUN IS UNLOADED BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO CLEAN IT.

Oh, yeah... MAKE SURE YOUR GUN IS UNLOADED BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO CLEAN IT.

And in case I forgot to mention it- MAKE SURE YOUR GUN IS UNLOADED BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO CLEAN IT.

There is nothing more depressing than reading a story about an accident that never should have happened, no matter whether the person is famous or just Joe Blow working at the local Wal-Mart.

Don't be a statistic. Be safe, and for God's sake, use your head and think lest you end up using your head as a backstop.
 
Anyone can have a momentary lapse, and sadly all it takes is one moment's worth of carelessness to kill you.
 
Former NFL player gets stupid with gun and shoots self.

Okay. Fixed it.

I wonder if it would draw the same attention had he gotten stupid on the highway and smashed into a bridge abutment. One must not only exercise a measure of care when handling potentially dangerous machinery...but he must also refrain from being stupid.

Or...Another way:

Life is hard. Life is harder when you're stupid. Don't be stupid.
 
Hey Airman,
Should I check my gun to see if it's unloaded before I clean it. I mean, I know it's not loaded because I didn't load it so should I just go ahead?


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1911 Tuner,

There is no indication that this person was stupid. It is pretty low road to suggest such without knowing more of the facts. If it was an accidental or negligent discharge, well neither necessarily indicates stupidity without something further in support showing that stupidity played a part in his demise. For all you know he had a heart attack with the gun in his hand and wound up shooting himself. of course he could also have been careless and somehow shot himself, but we don't know for sure either way. Then again, careless is not necessarily stupid.

All the best,
GB
 
I got a question. How do you clean a loaded gun?
I know most of my guns won't fire a round when the bolt/slide and, with it the firing pin, is laying on the table. They also don't hold the rounds very well when disassembled.
Are guns ticklish? would they all discharge if we stuck a bore mop down the barrel while they were loaded? Is it really true that guns shoot themselves when provoked?
 
Good point,how do you clean the gun when its loaded?Sounds like he was getting ready to clean a gun but then it looks like someone started playing cowboys and indians,the hand was the cowboy and the rest of his body was the indian and the hand had the gun.Cowboys won again!


and lets get back to how can you clean a loaded gun? You can't !


Now think about how the antis will see this!Legal gun owner dies from shot fired from his own gun and the gun was in his own hand!Guns are bad!Hey all you young football fans,kid makes good and gets to the NFL,makes lots of money,retires after 10 years,and dies because of a gun in his own hand!Guns are so very bad!

It is very stupid to be careless with a firearm !
 
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I'm not so sure that some of these "gun cleaning fatalities" aren't suicides. I'm not saying that's the case, here, but if I wanted to do that to myself, and in order to spare my family embarrassment, that would be a logical avenue.
 
How much do you want to bet that the gun was a Glock? Glocks are excellent firearms, but not for people prone to carelessness. I like the G19 a heck of a lot, but I will not buy one for that reason - you have to pull the trigger to disassemble it.
 
Harmonic -- agreed, and likewise certain "gun cleaning accidents" with 3d parties.

Who knows what the percentage is, but it's gotta be non-zero.

I *can* imagine careless / thoughtless fondle-point-BOOM situations, where someone didn't realize / recall a gun was loaded (Yes, I know, this doesn't happen when people follow the Four Rules), but ... when it's pointing at your head? What would possess someone to do that at all?

timothy
 
How much do you want to bet that the gun was a Glock? Glocks are excellent firearms, but not for people prone to carelessness. I like the G19 a heck of a lot, but I will not buy one for that reason - you have to pull the trigger to disassemble it.
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Well, just as an experiment (and with full knowledge of what I was doing), I tried to disassemble my Sig while leaving a round in the chamber to simulate a round left in the chamber due to failure to extract. I couldn't do it. So, things being what they are, it's not possible with either of my autoloaders to take them apart with a round in the chamber. That said, my Glock isn't any more dangerous than my Sig in spite of its peculiar quality because I still have to check the chamber before I take it down. I do know of guns where this is possible (the Beretta 92/M9), but let's face it, we're engaging in what is ultimately mere speculation here.

I'm finding it very hard to blame the gun. Inanimate objects, machines really, assume the qualities of their masters and are only as safe as those who use them. Follow the rules and the world is your oyster. Break them just one time and you're depending upon luck. This guy's luck ran out, which is terribly unfortunate for everybody involved.
 
Who knows?

^Airman,

That is fair. But I also agree with the previous poster not buying a gun because of no active safety (correct me if the isn't the accurate phrase) like the Glock. You pull the trigger and it goes off. This is all good and well, as long as that was your intention. You definitely can't blame the gun. But you also don't have to be a complete moron to have an accident either.

But it is possible that it slipped, and in the process, he grabbed for it and BAM! It is second nature to grab something that you dropped before it hits the floor, etc. Heck, I had to stop the knee-jerk reaction of trying to catch a knife that was falling to the floor. Everyone knows not to do that, but your initial reaction is to grab for it.

Maybe he just did the same. The high road way would definitely be giving him that much.

Just a few thoughts.
 
The first thing I do when I sit down to clean a gun is see exactaly how much cleaning I have to do,check out the firearm at hand!That means checking the bore and action.Can't do that with a closed action and I don't look down the bore while I open the action!I open it and then look!
I also don't leave any firearm loaded,ever!I don't carry and I don't have a loaded gun in the house just in case.I can see if you always have a gun loaded that sometimes it may surprise you that it is loaded after you thought you unloaded it but to point it at yourself and pull the trigger is just ****ING NUMB(not sorry for speaking American for those it may offend!) !Maybe there was another person there or maybe he just wanted to end it all but no matter what happened it gives me and my guns a bad name!
 
Maybe there was another person there or maybe he just wanted to end it all but no matter what happened it gives me and my guns a bad name!
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And that, to me, is the crux of the matter. It's hard to claim that we are "responsible" gun owners when one of us has a negligent discharge, because implicit in that is a lack of responsibility.
 
Guys, I'm sorry for the guy's family. And the cops and coroner at least believed his scene.

Lots of guys will do the "gun cleaning and accidentally kill themselves" as a suicide. In fact, when I see "gun cleaning" and "accident' in the same sentence, I just assume suicide.
 
Let us review the 4 rules, shall we?

1.) Treat every gun as if it were loaded [X]
2.) Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready pull it [X]
3.) Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy [X]
4.) Be sure of your target and what is beyond it. [N/A]

If that ain't a case of severe acute stupidity, I don't know what is. I'm not saying we don't all have them, but man, breaking 3 rules at once?
 
Former NFL player killed by ND while cleaning

If you own a Luger it's possible to strip it with a round in the chamber and it can still be fired.

With a dummy round in the chamber remove the sideplate, then remove the barrel -frame- toggle assy from the grip, the round can still be fired.

This has caused a number of NDs with unsuspecting gun owners in the past.
 
Momentary lapse......... can`t afford those.
This un-fortunate "momentary lapse" is a reminder of what will happen
and does happen to those who don`t put safety first. Period!
There is no ......OOPS....in gun safety.
 
As has already been stated, many "gun cleaning accidents" are actually suicides.

Either 1)the person sets up the scene to make it look like an accident, or 2) it is kinder to let the family think that it was an accident than to tell them "your loved one decided to blow his brains out".

Face it folks, how many of you have ever needed to point your firearm at your vital organs in order to clean it?
 
There is no indication that this person was stupid. It is pretty low road to suggest such without knowing more of the facts.
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One need not be stupid to do stupid things, and shooting a gun while cleaning it is just plain stupid. Sorry. It is what it is. Reality is a bitch when we don't sugar coat it. I agree with Tuner when he stated. "Life is hard. Life is harder when you're stupid. Don't be stupid." When otherwise intelligent people do stupid things, there is no excuse. They just did something stupid, and often times they pay a high price.
 
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