Friend got mugged, but entrenches his sheeple thinking..

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So a friend of my gf's was at an internet cafe..

2 guys walk in and say "Hey, my friend outside says you are the one that's been dating his girlfriend, he'd like to talk to you.." and they rough him up around the collar until he walks out with them..

Outside, the 3rd guy was the lookout, and yanked him into the alley, where they pulled out 3 cleavers, one held a cleaver to his throat, one rummaged in his bag, one rummaged through his pockets etc..

So afterwards...

He told us the story over dinner; and I said.. "See, that's why I'm pro gun.."

And he makes the comment "Well, I'm now more anti-gun than ever!! I mean, what if they had a gun instead of an 8" cleaver?? They COULD HAVE THREATENED MY LIFE WITH IT!"

***??:confused: I thought having a cleaver placed under your throat WAS A THREAT!!

:confused:

So... sheeple thinking, someone sticks a cleaver under your throat, OK, but if they had pointed a gun at you... why that would have put your life in danger!!

:cuss: :banghead: :banghead: :cuss:

I always thought a CCW owner was just a sheeple that's been mugged.. I GUESS NOT.

Stupidity knows no bounds..
 
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
 
i know exactly what you're talking about. I'm in the middle of an argument on another board right now where some moron is claiming that if everyone were allowed to carry guns, people would shoot each other over minor disputes and that it'd make muggers more likely to shoot/stab you. He even went so far as to give the example of a 15 year old pulling a knife and demanding your wallet. He asked if the kid deserved to die. But there is some consolation in the fact that a few people said "hell yes!" and explained that they people had the right to defend themselves with any means necessary when their life was threatened.

edit: just to clarify, the knife example was an example of the stupidity of the person on the other board, not something I agree with. I'd post a link, but it's on a section of clubsi.com where you have to be a registered member (free, and only takes time, but not really worth the hassle of registering).
 
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The victim did not perpetrate the violence. If the kid with the knife was aware that someone could be carrying, and pulled a knife, well....better the clean the gene pool when they are young.

As far as the sheeple reaction to getting mugged :what: :barf: :scrutiny:
 
nico,

Like this:

15 year olds life or mine; If I had to make a choice.. why, I wouldn't really call it a choice!!

If he assaulted me, all bets are off..

Did he have to die? Before we get to that question; did he have to mug me? Did I have to be mugged? Answer my 2 questions first, and I'll answer yours..

7.62, I'm always pro-pour-some-chlorine-in-the-gene-pool as well.. :D
 
and they rough him up around the collar until he walks out with them..
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There is the grounds to defend yourself Moparmike. He was assaulted by mutiple attackers. Now deadly force may not be warranted, but you wouldn't be forced to go outside so they could expand on the crime.
 
Intermediate weapons fit nicely here. Grabbed by the collar and roughed up? Mace away! You need more than a gun in your tool bag. If all you have is a hammer.....

JMHO
 
TheeBadOne:

I'll second that notion. I carry a 1911, a Ka-Bar combat knife, my Leatherman for a smaller knife, and OC spray.

Although, really, I don't anticipate ever really using anything other than the 1911 or the spray. The Leatherman is there because I use it all the time and the Ka-Bar is there because it's also useful occasionally and in case of primary weapon failure... or I end up in some incredibly terrible situation where I've gone through all 4 magazines and I really start wishing that I had a rifle or shotgun on me, heh. (Right now, it's kind of impractical for me to have a BUG due to being required to openly carry for a few more months.)
 
The second the two attackers placed their hands on me, they would both be face down on the floor and under citizen's arrest for assault, untill the police arrived and placed them under formal arrest. If they resisted, I will use nessicary force to subdue them.


You may explain to your friend your pro-gun stance is on law-abbiding citizens only. Criminals do not have the right to carry string in my eyes, nor do they have the right to walk the streets I walk.


Your hypothetical 15 year old question:
HELL YES he deserves to be stoped with whatever force is nessicary. If that means his death, so be it. He just tried to kill me (threat of lethal force == knife in my face.) I don't care if he's 15 or 55, I would have been just as dead. I'd like to say I'd loose no sleep over it, but I know that is not so. I take my responsability as a firearms owner very seriously, and would likely be kept up puking for weeks after shooting anybody.

But I would not change how I would handle the situation. Any day of the week, and twice on Sundays will I take pukeing over my loved ones gathered around a coffin bearing my name.


Anyone who thinks a knife in your face is not a deadly weapon, do a search for a knife video on THR.
 
Having once been in a knife fight--and never, ever, ever wanting to be in that kind of situation again--I can tell you it's definitely serious.

That's why I talked about probably just using the 1911 or the spray... somebody pulls a knife on me, I'm not going to pretend I'm a martial artist in a movie and fight on equal terms. I'm going to go for my damned gun. ;-) That's a definite threat to my life.

<Sean Connery>

Isn't that just like a wop? Brings a knife to a gun fight!

</Sean Connery>
 
Just reread and noticed Treylis said it in not so many words, bring a gun to a gun fight, not a knife to a gun fight.
 
Having once been in a knife fight--and never, ever, ever wanting to be in that kind of situation again--I can tell you it's definitely serious.

That's why I talked about probably just using the 1911 or the spray... somebody pulls a knife on me, I'm not going to pretend I'm a martial artist in a movie and fight on equal terms. I'm going to go for my damned gun. ;-) That's a definite threat to my life.
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that's the thing! the guy even went so far as to say that a self defense class would be good enough (even implied it'd be better than a firearm) to defend oneself from an assailant with a knife!:fire:

here's an example: someone talked about a situation where their father forgot their CC gun and was mugged by 3 thugs, one of whom put a knife to his throat. He fought back and they ended up running. This guy's reply was:
in this case. If 2 guys come up to you and ask you for your wallet, and they start kicking the ???? out of you. You are actually in fear for your life? Or just a good asskicking. ???? give them the wallet, why resist? Or just take your gun out, blow away two stupid 15 yesar old kids. Does that sound like the right answer? Not really. Its not that I oppose concealed weapons, but people just use them in the wrong circumstance. Never once have I been in a fight, even with 2-3 on 1, that I have feared for my life. Enough to shoot someone? ???? no. If I had a bat would I lay it to them? sure but I am not going to kill them.. Its hard what I am trying to say...hopefully you get the jist of it..
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the possiblity that the attackers may have something other than their fists, and that a knife can kill you, totally eludes this guy
oh, and here's the comment I was talking about before:
Training is more than learning how to shoot the ????ing thing. You should also provide some kind of MENTAL training. So ther person actually knows the circumstance in which to use their gun. If some ????ing 15 year old kid comes up to a 35 year old guy, threatens him with a 3 inch knife, the guy takes out his "concealed weapon" and puts a 3 inch hole in the kids head.. You think this is right? I don't.. And thats exactly what will happen with more people carrying guns underneath their coats.. The only people that should be able to use deadly force are the people specifically trained for it, ie POLICE. I just fail to see how letting more people carry guns on the street is a good thing..
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he also says how wrong it is to "bring a gun to a knife fight." :scrutiny: :banghead:
 
If some ????ing 15 year old kid comes up to a 35 year old guy, threatens him with a 3 inch knife, the guy takes out his "concealed weapon" and puts a 3 inch hole in the kids head.. You think this is right?
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YES.

I don't
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Fine, there's plenty of space for you in the county moruge.

You're free to belive what you like, as long as you don't tell me what to do.

PS: what would you figure would happen to Johnny Dip????-murderer 15-year-old if he pulled a knife on a cop?

Why should a cop be more able to defend his life than I am? Does he live in some sort of paralell universe where the people he's concerned about somehow can't see or touch me?

PPS: your friend sounds ignorant. That's fine, and can be cured if he's open (none of us were born knowing everything, such as the fact that bare hands used in anger are a deadly weapon.)

He also sounds more than a little horrifically violent (getting into fights, beating people with a bat, etc.) be careful around someone with their priorities so out of whack.
 
Personally, i think learning how to fight would have been the best solution to this problem. When there was only one guy threatening your friend in the cafe the easy solution would have simply been to rough him up more and then he coulde have just gone about his buisiness. If his buddies are still outside then its time to draw the CCW. Rule number one in life is if a bad guy wants you to go somewhere with him, DONT.
 
I feel you should have the right to defend yourself but in this case and a great many others, since the enemy had the "drop" on you a gun or a battleship would not have changed a thing except maybe he and a few others would be dead. A CCW doesn't do much good if you are laying on the ground with a knife to your throat. Many cops are killed with their own weapons, life is so unfair.
 
Here's the problem; if I'm asked to "step outside".. If I have no means to defend myself, and I'm being dragged out, at that point..

Maybe a Kahr, or a Keltec would probably have stopped that situation before it escalated..

I can tell you, when you say no, and they don't listen, you pull out a gun, and then say no... THEY LISTEN..
 
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If some ????ing 15 year old kid comes up to a 35 year old guy, threatens him with a 3 inch knife, the guy takes out his "concealed weapon" and puts a 3 inch hole in the kids head.. You think this is right?
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Of course not.


And to say that a 15 year old child with a 3" knife deserves a 3" hole in his head is silly.


The correct response would be,

a) There's no way you could fit a new brain through a 3" hole.

b) Any hole over .454" would be excessive.

c) A 3" blade doesn't make a 3" hole, but then neither does my 3" barreled handgun.

d) The kid already has a 3" hole in his head - the big mouth that just overloaded his assets.
 
The kid's not going to end up with a 3" hole in his head, for at least two reasons:

1) He's most likely to suddenly develop a 3-lb load of s&*% in his pants and run as soon as he sees the gun.

2) Everybody knows that you aim COM, not for the head.
 
There seem to be no bounds to ''sheepleness'' and shere stupidity.

Let me just mention part of my sig' ........

''Self defence is not about killing ...... it's about living''. Take that as you will.:)
 
c_yeager, reread the original post. The conflict started with 2 guys approaching the victim not 1. He was at a decided disadvantage from the beginning. He most likely wouldn't have fared very well by fist fighting.
 
The number one issue is the thought process. What did this fellow think he was getting into when he stepped outside with two abusive strangers to meet, what I sure hope he realized was a third potential BG? What kind of dream world is he in? He has the mind state of a victim. He has chosen to be a victim instead of a survivor, while the others chose to be perpetrators.

Unfotunately, this is not uncommon in America. A shame!

Be well!
 
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