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By Colbert I. King
Saturday, July 28, 2007; A19

In announcing his intention this week to seek a Supreme Court ruling upholding the District's strict gun laws, Mayor Adrian Fenty said, "The handgun ban has saved many lives and will continue to do so if it remains in effect." Can't argue with that. Gun control advocates tell us that a gun kept in the home is more likely to be used in an unintentional shooting or in an attempted or completed suicide than in self-defense. What's more, the combination of guns and domestic violence is lethal. So, yes, the ban has probably saved lives.

But has the 30-year-old gun ban made our streets any safer? Since the handgun ban has been on the books, the criminally minded have been using guns with a frequency that rivals breathing.

From 1987 through Wednesday, there have been more than 6,400 homicides in the District of Columbia, most committed with firearms. That figure doesn't include non-fatal shootings.

This year, the 7th Police District in Southeast Washington alone had noted 181 shootings up to Wednesday, according to Post reporter Allison Klein. And robberies by gun-wielding thugs? The Post's weekly Crime Report noted 44 gun-related robberies between July 6 and 12.

We have one of the country's toughest handgun laws. I fear we may also have more weapons than the Iraqi army.

In the past five years, the D.C. police have taken more than 12,000 firearms off our streets. Guess what? Only 161 were acquired through gun buy-back operations.

Which gets us to the heart of our problem: the bitter fruit we're reaping from the catastrophic breakdown of family and community. Behind the guns are young men so desensitized by their upbringing and their surroundings that the welfare of others counts for nothing and remorse is a word without meaning.

The use of a gun to rob, to mete out pain and to exact revenge comes to them as easily as the ability to tie a shoelace.

These are angry, poorly schooled youths, abandoned by fathers, neglected and abused by ill-prepared mothers, raised on mean streets, who have drifted into lives of crime without even a tug at the coattail.

Now they have guns and no feeling for other people's feelings.

That coldness, that disregard for another person's life, is what lurks behind:

· The 11 people wounded in six shootings during a two-hour span a week ago.

· The killing of a man and wounding of three others in a drive-by shooting a week earlier.

· The death of a man who was shot in the head late Tuesday.

· The man found dead early Wednesday morning with several gunshot wounds.

An initiative announced yesterday by Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, Prince George's County Executive Jack Johnson and Fenty is aimed at drying up the supply of guns -- and catching those who use them. Both goals are critical. But reaching people before they want to shoot and kill is the real solution.

This brings me to Wednesday afternoon on Raleigh Place SE outside the headquarters of Peaceoholics, a conflict-resolution group that works with youths. Frustration and anger at the current wave of drive-by shootings were on display.

D.C. Council member Marion Barry (D-Ward 8) told the people assembled there that he's been to 60 funerals for teenagers and is tired of it. He led onlookers in chants of "Stop the drive-bys!" and "Enough is enough!" His admonition to "do the right thing," coming from him of all people, took my breath away.

Peaceoholics co-founder Ronald "Mo" Moten called for a "code in the streets" to brand drive-by shootings as acts of cowardice.

Fenty was there as well. He announced a two-week extension of the city's summer jobs program and urged cooperation with the police. D.C. Council member Kwame Brown (D-At Large) was on hand, too. He, too, urged a change in the code and said the community should "make it uncomfortable for those who commit drive-bys."

The Rev. Donald Isaac, executive director of the East of the River group, challenged pastors and parishioners to open their doors, "come out of the safety of your churches and sanctuaries" and get involved with young people in the community.

My childhood friend Tyrone White, who lives on Raleigh Place, spoke feelingly about the absence of love in the lives of youths and reminded the gathering that when he and I were growing up in the West End-Foggy Bottom area, disputes were settled with fists, not guns.

But the real story on guns and violence concerns the work being done by groups such as Peaceoholics when the cameras and reporters are gone. Because of parental default, they -- and hundreds like them in the community -- have become surrogate dads, intervening in the lives of young people on the edge with the kind of teaching, support and tough love missing in the young people's homes. They're the surrogates who are going into the jails and youth detention centers in attempts to reclaim lives given over to violence. They're the ones with fingers in the dike, trying to avert the disaster taking shape on our streets.

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I didn't even get through the first paragraph:

Mayor Adrian Fenty said, "The handgun ban has saved many lives and will continue to do so if it remains in effect." Can't argue with that.

Yes you can argue with that. Look at the crime rate before and after the gun ban. Nothing else has changed overall in comparison to the rest of the free world except the gun ban.
 
Gun control advocates tell us that a gun kept in the home is more likely to be used in an unintentional shooting or in an attempted or completed suicide than in self-defense.

Why is suicide such an issue? This is supposed to be a free country, and I cant even off myself?
I'm dead serious here, this is just a part of the bigger picture, no one feels they are responsible for themselves anymore.
 
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Colbert King has been at the Washington Post for a long time. He is a local boy, growing up in DC.

If you have been reading him over the years, you would see that what he has said here is actually an improvement from the past. The thrust of this piece is that the citizens need to take back control of society; he only pays a passing homage to the laws he has lived under and supported all his life.

I replied to his column - as I have done to others in the past as follows:

The Kumbaya feelings are fine - and your admission that it takes a finger on a trigger to make things happen is nice to hear, but there is certainly no deterrence to the use of firearms in the approach you pine for. The drive-byers know that return fire is only possible from those who could be drive-bying them in a time frame not much longer than it takes for the shell casings to cool.

Couple that truth with a second fact of life is that witnesses can not protect themselves in their homes - not to mention the streets - if they talk (AKA snitch) under the current law, what do you expect of law-abiding citizens who are just trying to survive the social dysfunctionality of the non-elitist DC neighborhoods?

Your childhood with fist fights settling arguments went out with the arrival of paranoia and economic resources that meth, then crack, brought to DC starting back in the 1980's.

After thought - why are there many fewer drive-bys just across the river in Virgina? Hint - ask Philip Van Cleve for his thoughts on the matter...

He then emailed me the following:

Who is Philip Van Cleve?

After I picked my self off my keyboard, I replied as follows:

The President of VCDL - Virginia Civil Defense League.

I assume that you know what that organization has been doing regarding gun issues for many years.

In particular, he and his group are leading the fight against Mayor Bloomberg's Straw Purchase activity with the raffle.

It is the VCDL that got the laws reformed in Virginia (to the extent they are) regarding the carrying of concealed weapons. The big issue in that discussion is the current situation where you can not carry concealed in a place that serves alcohol. Keep in mind that Virginia also does not require any permit or documentation to openly carry a firearm.

Regarding Virginia Tech, it is his (and his organization)'s position that the ban on carrying concealed weapons by students and staff gave Mr. Cho the opportunity that he exploited to kill 30+ people, to make his point about what he thought of Virginia Tech.

I suggested you talk to him, because he is local - he works in Northern Virginia, and he is well-known to the Washington Post.

His email address is ........

I am awaiting his reponse to me, and I will keep all informed.
 
Which gets us to the heart of our problem: the bitter fruit we're reaping from the catastrophic breakdown of family and community. Behind the guns are young men so desensitized by their upbringing and their surroundings that the welfare of others counts for nothing and remorse is a word without meaning.

The use of a gun to rob, to mete out pain and to exact revenge comes to them as easily as the ability to tie a shoelace.

These are angry, poorly schooled youths, abandoned by fathers, neglected and abused by ill-prepared mothers, raised on mean streets, who have drifted into lives of crime without even a tug at the coattail.

Now they have guns and no feeling for other people's feelings.

That coldness, that disregard for another person's life, is what lurks

They sure got that part right, they start out doinhg violent crimes at 12, they are remorseless sociopaths, oh yeah the word sociopath is out of fashion in the psychiatric community now.
Read the whole article.

I liked the Fenty quote that
"the community should make it uncomfortable for the driveby shooters." How will they do that Mayor Fenty without any guns??
 
The Post's weekly Crime Report noted 44 gun-related robberies between July 6 and 12.

Holy crap. Just in DC? I need to see what a "normal" amount is around here, because that number just seems off the wall.
 
Which gets us to the heart of our problem: the bitter fruit we're reaping from the catastrophic breakdown of family and community. Behind the guns are young men so desensitized by their upbringing and their surroundings that the welfare of others counts for nothing and remorse is a word without meaning.

While I disagree with him that the gun ban in DC works, he hits the bullseye with the statement above. The guns are not the cause of crime but the breakdown of family and society is. I do not know the guy and he seems that he is anti-gun in general, however, he seems to show understanding of the cause and nature of crime which is something that seems to escape a lot of politicians who think that banning guns and building more prisons is an answer to crime in society.
 
I didn't take the article as anti. He made the comment that he doesn't argue with a gun in the home increases their use in domestic disputes and suicide, but on many levels is true. But he goes on to ask if the gun ban has made the streets any safer, at which point he devotes the whole rest of the article to how bad the streets are. That sounds more like he is telling antis he understands the home issues, but here is what happens when you step outside your front door.
 
I don't think it was "anti".

I understand what he said with it preventing deaths in terms of domestic violence or kids getting a hold of them. Sure, that is true in certain cases, but of course who knows how many injuries and deaths could have been prevented if the gun was in the home for protection against intruders. I think he was making a concession to the antis here to get them to follow him to his next, main point- which is that gun control doesn't have any bearing on the criminals who will get them no matter what.
 
Fenty, Feinstein, and all the other gun-prohibitionists out there have a common plan:

1.) Introduce "common-sense" legislation based on the premise that fewer guns leads to less crime.

2.) When the law-abiding population has been partially disarmed, crime rates increase, especially violent crimes.

3.) With crime increasing, they propose more "common-sense" legislation to stem the violence.

4.) Crime rates rise again.

5.) More anti-gun legislation, and possibly kinfe and baseball bat legislation.

6.) More crime.

7.) No more guns or weapons to confiscate, place people under 24 hr. surveilence, secret police, eventually detention camps for thought crime, 2nd class citizens and an elite, enlightened ruling class.



Don't let it happen to you.
 
Gun control advocates tell us that a gun kept in the home is more likely to be used in an unintentional shooting or in an attempted or completed suicide than in self-defense. What's more, the combination of guns and domestic violence is lethal. So, yes, the ban has probably saved lives.

Flawed logic. While it's true that an accidental shooting can't occur without a gun...suicide and murder probably can't even be factored in...or at the very most, factored at a small percentage. People who are determined to kill themselves will find a way, and people who are determined to murder other people will likewise find a way.
 
Why is suicide such an issue? This is supposed to be a free country, and I cant even off myself?
I'm dead serious here, this is just a part of the bigger picture, no one feels they are responsible for themselves anymore.
On the other hand, I would be willing to bet that Mr. King is a staunch supporter of abortion 'rights' and euthanasia.:rolleyes:
 
Sure, the gun ban probably saved lives by reducing unintentional/negligent shootings in homes. However, I strongly suspect that for each live saved in the home, triple that number have been killed by criminals because the victims didn't have a gun to defend themselves.

That's just like spending a quarter to save a dime. Idiocy.
 
Personally, I couldn't care less about suicide statistics. It's a person's choice, right or wrong, to check out of their own accord.
 
D.C. Council member Marion Barry (D-Ward 8) told the people assembled there that he's been to 60 funerals for teenagers and is tired of it. He led onlookers in chants of "Stop the drive-bys!" and "Enough is enough!" His admonition to "do the right thing," coming from him of all people, took my breath away.



If this guy is looking up to Marion (crack cocaine) Berry then he has
a serious problem
 
The D.C. gunban is the initial brick in the wall. Their next argument will be that since their local gunban is compromised by the availability of weapons elsewhere a national ban (controls on transfer, ownership, insert your favorite gunban format) is necessary to assure their safety. That is if the argument hasn't been posited already.

I live in the suburbs of a city governed by one of the most racist gunbanning mayors in the United States. He isn't particularly original and takes his cues from someplace and he is in lockstep with the D.C. politicians; unfortunately for him, the rest of the state has some influence - today.
 
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"The handgun ban has saved many lives and will continue to do so if it remains in effect."


Damn! Imagine for a moment if by his logic there was no gun ban and everyone had a gun. Oh wait a minute all the bad guys already do... :rolleyes:
 
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