Ft. Lauderdale Police Beat Up Citizen in Elevator

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You were confined to an elevator... attacked by multiple assailants... unable to escape...

Just because they identified themselves as Police, should you have to give up your right to self-defense?

Do you have to submit to a beating because the police told you who they were before they started to beat you?
 
The Sun Sentinel site claims server trouble.

But Google 'Ft. Lauderdale Police Beat up Citizen in Elevator' and you'll find it. First they charged the guy with felony battery of a police officer. After the video surfaced they initially dropped that to a misdemeanor resisting charge. Then they dropped that. I don't see anything the young man did to be charged with anything. On the contrary, I think many charges should be made against the officers. And a police spokesman said that policy was followed. Disgusting.

The police report said the young man's fists were clenched, his body was 'bladed,' and he was in a 'fighting stance.' I don't see any of that. It appears his hands were in the pockets of his hoody when the officers jumped on him in the video.

An officer lying on a report that results in a felony charge? That isn't perjury?
 
Do you have to submit to a beating because the police told you who they were before they started to beat you?
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I was always taught that being beaten by a group of armed people was a lethal force encounter. Perhaps we should start shooting these people when they unlawfully aggress. The badge means nothing.

Of course, "Fort Lauderdale police internal affairs investigators reviewed the incident more than a month ago and found no violations of policy or procedures."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/sfl-bn-0304video,0,1616907.story
 
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Perhaps we should start shooting these people when they unlawfully aggress.
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And perhaps doing so would be very foolish. On many levels. Now, I believe we have problems with our police and have for quite some time. However, I've seen a vast improvement over what it was 40 years ago. And from what my father, grandmother, and other older relatives tell me, there is also a vast improvement from their younger days.

Police officers lying about citizens on reports, especially in a report that results in felony charges, should be perjury, should be prosecuted, should be a felony, and should be followed with a mandatory prison sentence upon conviction.
 
However, I've seen a vast improvement over what it was 40 years ago. And from what my father, grandmother, and other older relatives tell me, there is also a vast improvement from their younger days.
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Yes, the vast improvement is obviously reflected by the how much kinder criminals are now over how they were in the 50s.

No one could possibly argue that crime is worse and criminals are more violent then they were 50 years ago, right?

Therefore, the kinder cops must have resulted in kinder criminals.
 
Oh, wait, sorry. My last post was backwards. What I meant to say, is that criminals will always continue to push until they're pushed back. When we started to become a pansy nation with pansy cops, criminals realized they had their run of the place.

When people stopped fearing the cops, they stopped fearing the laws, then stopped fearing the people who the laws were supposed to protect.

When my dad grew up in NYC, if you ran your mouth to a cop he smacked you in the head with a nightstick. The result? No one ran their mouths to the cops. Is it coincidence?
 
Cops are not above the law nor should they be. You run your mouth at a cop and he smacks you with his club you fire his sorry A#@. COPS ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW!!!!
 
We have to draw a line here. We don't want pansy cops and we don't all want to be beaten down as criminals. I have both high and low respect for Miami-Fort Lauderdale police. THey go through some of the worst hell of any police in this country. If you read statistics, there has been a large number of Miami police officers gunned down by criminals. Drug lords in Florida are powerful and have more firepower and many highly armed and higly paid street thugs working the city for them.

Thanks to our liberal friends, police in Miami area are tottaly unpowered and in a constant state of fear themselves. Also, thanks to stupid liberal leadership in the higher ranks of the department, their goal is to disarm all the law abiding citizens so that they can give even more power to the drug lords, gangs and other wealthy street scum that infests Miami. THe place is a basket case.

Try being a cop in Miami and I am sure you may spend a majority of your day paranoid. I don't know if we can blame the police themselves, as much as the establishment and people that has turned that city into a warzone. Unfortunately, innocent people are caught in the crossfire and have to pay for the actions of the scum of that city.

Anyhow, we should give some respect to the brave police, but for ones who are above the law, well they are part of the problem and should be discplined harshly. Sometimes in these crime and drug infested cities, the only people who dare patrol the streets are those who have nothing to lose. These are not people to be reckoned with and they don't always care who is good and bad.
 
When my dad grew up in NYC, if you ran your mouth to a cop he smacked you in the head with a nightstick. The result? No one ran their mouths to the cops. Is it coincidence?
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When my grandmother grew up in Nashville, if a Black person tried to use the White restroom, they got smacked in the head... or worse. The result? Black people didn't try to use the White restroom. Is it a coincidence?

It's amazing to me, the stupidity, evil and crime that people profess to be nostalgic about.
 
Therefore, the kinder cops must have resulted in kinder criminals.
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Well, I didn't say anything about kinder cops. Besides your 'logic' is nearly incomprehensible. Check the crime statistics from their inception...they're down substantially.

As far as the cops go. In living memory in this area of the country there was no justice available unless you had money. A poor white was only able to win a court case if his opponent was another poor white or an even poorer black. Same went with criminal cases...rich men walked while poor men walked the chain gang.
Fifty odd years ago my next door neighbor was shot by a policeman six times in the back of his head. The policeman was found guilty of voluntary manslaughter. Sentenced. Made a trustee. Not put into the general prison population. Given a nice cabin inside the fence with conjugal visits from his wife. Released on his first parole date.

Now, I've witnessed from a distance of three feet, a much worse beating administered by police. I'm familiar with the department, they once beat people on a regular basis. It's been over thirty years since they've been accused of such. Improvement. Vast improvement.

Now, however much danger is brought to the Miami and Ft. Lauderdale police by drug lords...that young man didn't look like a drug lord to me. Nor a gang member. Or a thug. Maybe he said some bad words to them and hurt their feelings. So? If they assaulted him because of verbal insults; I'd suggest that they need to read the relevant decisions by the Supreme Court. Hopefully while they are in cells.
 
Not only that, but since the department officially said that they reviewed the tape, and that no policy was violated by the officers, then the officers, the PD, and the police chief personally should be held civilly liable for their policy of beating people who have not broken the law.
 
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I wonder why the Police were there?I also wonder what happened before the cops entered the elevator?Someone must have been concerned about the people in the elevator for some reason.I have tried jumping to conclusions about my questions,but I do not have an insight power as high as most in here.
 
For however long there exists authority, there will exist abuse of authority. I do however believe in poetic justice. You don't need to help it come around; it just does.

Some day, this pack of abusers will encounter an expert martial artist, or someone just plain meaner than the sum of the whole of they. When that happens, poetic justice shall be served.
 
I mustve seen a different video, cause they weren't exactly "gang beating the guy"... I saw four cops pile up on him and try to get his arms to cuff him, he appears to resist, and then one of the cops throws a few "distraction strikes" which are meant to soften up a non-compliant subject who is physically resisting... They were trying to take him to the ground as is common SOP...
As for the idiots who've posted saying they'd have shot the cops I say maybe you should switch to airsoft... You prolly don't have much business carrying something that might hurt somebody...
Oh here is how its gun related;
You, (a police officer) try to detain or arrest a man for whatever reason; He resists, for whatever reson (does he have a concealed weapon he is trying to get to, or is he trying to get your weapon?) So it is a fight for survival the moment a subject decides he isn't going to comply with a law enofrcement officers lawful orders or actions. Ive seen many times a subject saying "Im not resisting"as he looks around and struggles, trying to figure out an angle to escape or hurt the officer...

Again, the video I saw wasn't 4 officers wolfpacking a guy and beating him with truncheons...
 
Again, the video I saw wasn't 4 officers wolfpacking a guy and beating him with truncheons...
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Just one, the guy with the blue hat. He also elbowed that girl in the face. The rest appears more or less wrestling the guy into submission, why we don't know.
 
The one cop shoves the guy goes to grab him... the subjects friends try to intervene... Come on LOOK at the video... Girl doesn't get elbowed in the face, she has an elbow come across her face 'cause she gets in the middle of something she shouldn't... If I run into your outstretched clenched fist, are you (truly) punching me?
 
If I had pushed that man into the corner then punched him in the face a few times and drug him to the floor, would I be able to press charges against him?

Sorry but I think the first 2 cops into the elevator should spend a few months in prison.
 
I am not a police officer but I am someone well versed in use of force by law enforcement officers. From what I saw of that video I could not see anything done wrong. Maybe the officers were taking things more seriously then they should have but as far as I can see this video will not give anybody any evidence against the police in the courts.

I basically chalk all this up to society going down a road of, for lack of a better term, sissiness. Combine that with the US and its horrible tort law system that makes it so anybody can sue anybody and all this so called video evidence that is on the whole one sided when there are more than even 2 sides to the actual incident.

The video of Rodney King being beaten is the classic example. Unfortunately not many know the surrounding events up until that point.

Next time bonehead listen to the cops and do as they say.
 
So why is this gun related now, when it wasn't gun related the first time the OP posted it in General?
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Who says it has to be gun related in Legal? From the main page:

Get informed on issues affecting the right to keep and bear arms. Coordinate activism, debate with allies and opponents. Discuss laws concerning firearm ownership, concealed carry and self-defense.
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So, it's off topic in General but 'maybe' on topic here if we stick to the discussion of whether self defense is proper in a situation like this, which several people have brought up.

Post #3 asked some very tough questions:

Just because they identified themselves as Police, should you have to give up your right to self-defense?

Do you have to submit to a beating because the police told you who they were before they started to beat you?
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Those are serious legal topics and very good questions, worth discussing in my opinion.
 
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