Ft. Lauderdale Police Beat Up Citizen in Elevator

[benEzra]

When people stopped fearing the cops, they stopped fearing the laws, then stopped fearing the people who the laws were supposed to protect.

On the contrary, when regular citizens fear the police, then they don't report crimes, they don't call the police unless they absolutely have to, they avoid the police as much as possible, view them with suspicion, and may even go so far as to cover for petty criminals. That attitude seriously undermines law enforcement in the community. Look at Chicago.

When my dad grew up in NYC, if you ran your mouth to a cop he smacked you in the head with a nightstick. The result? No one ran their mouths to the cops. Is it coincidence?

Well, at that time, NYC's crime rate was higher than it is now. Again, intimidating people in general doesn't help police; it hinders them. The whole idea behind community policing (which works, and works well) is to keep police and law-abiding citizens talking to each other and on the same side. Breach that trust (such as by beating up people for "contempt of cop") and it undermines officers' effectiveness against the real bad guys.

 

[GonHuntin]

Why is it illegal for a citizen to lie to a cop during and investigation, but it's NOT illegal for a cop to lie to a citizen during an investigation??


If conditions are so bad for cops in that area.......why don't they quit?


When did it become a good thing for citizens to fear cops???

 

[coloradokevin]

So why is this gun related now, when it wasn't gun related the first time the OP posted it in General?

+1.

This has NO gun relevance, and was locked/deleted twice in the general section, once after the OP insulted the forum's moderators.

It isn't my show to run here, but given the number of other non-gun threads that have been locked, I'm surprised that this one keeps coming back.

This thread isn't even tangentially related to gun issues, and I've already commented on the video issue as I saw fit in the other thread:

I fail to see the gun connection in this thread.

Regardless, some audio would have been nice. The guy was obviously posturing to the officer right before he was pushed. In my department we are required to reach a level of Active Aggression from a subject before we outright strike them. Active Aggression doesn't necessarily require that the subject strike the officer, so much as give an obvious sign that he is about to (ex: blading one's body and balling up a fist towards the officer).

That isn't quite the case here in so far as I can tell, but I'd still like to know more background about:

1) What the guy was saying to officers, if anything
2) What he was wanted for, if anything
3) What the police were telling him, if anything

If I was approaching someone that I was looking for on a felony charge and they disobeyed my orders, then "got in my face", it would almost certainly end up in a hands-on situation.

I guess if we just keep posting the same stuff enough times, eventually people will get tired of trying to delete it?

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

I think this one has run its course.