Full Auto Ownership

[doc2rn]

The only one I want is the American 180 in .22lr. Just dont get why they have to cost as much as a car!

 

[donzi]

reloading is about the only way to go for full auto these days if you can find primers powder and bullets at good prices.

 

[heviarti]

I have yet to find info about it that tells me anything... but anyone here seen the Intense Combat Muzzle Brake?

Search youtube for "M14 full auto one hand"

 

[Gunnerpalace]

To be honest most of the FA i want are unobtainable because there are only 2 or 3 if any made before 1985 like a Fullauto Glock,1911,and 3 shot Beretta 93r.

I am under the impression that there are transferable 93r's

Dillinger had a converted 1911 (obviously not legal though)

And supposedly there were a couple converted glocks in the registry.

 

[freakshow10mm]

To be honest most of the FA i want are unobtainable because there are only 2 or 3 if any made before 1985 like a Fullauto Glock,1911,and 3 shot Beretta 93r.

False. There are no transferable full auto Glocks. They were made after 1986 and are made in Austria so they are post 86 sample guns not able to be owned by an individual thanks to the GCA of 1968 which banned importation of machine guns for civilians. The Beretta R93 suffers from the same import restrictions under the GCA of 1968 so there are no fully transferable R93 in existence.

There are a few original and converted fully transferable 1911 MGs.

 

[yokel]

My hunch is that a preponderance of the folks, if they had their druthers, would opt for a full-auto Thompson or selective fire AK instead of some pathetic and ridiculous "sporterized" semi-auto knockoff.

Wouldn't we all rather have the real McCoy of undisputed quality at a reasonable price that is neither imitation nor substitute?

 

[freakshow10mm]

Thompsons don't impress me. Too heavy to be practical.

 

[Mags]

Well if I was going to get a Full Auto I guess I would go with an MP5 though I would be happy with a semi in the SP89. Reasons for the MP5 are its cheap to feed some 9mm to, it is light and accurate, and cans work very well with em. Shot my uncle's with a can, said he would seel it to me for a price of a new car and that's the "family" price.LOL

 

[TEDDY]

FA

I used to be good with a 1928 thompson,could hold the burst to chest of target.at 25 yds.but it is a beast.best to drop the sling and step on it and lean foward.shot most MGs.sten, mac 12[380],Riesing,grease gun mp 40.
ppsh41.mg 38 and 42,bar,lewis,mg 08/15,and of course browning air craft 50/30s.and 1919 water cooled.I am good with MGs.I want a chauchat 8mm.
or lewis.and the Bar is great.I fired Jim Ballous BAR.he is awsum with a MG and can shoot a M16 like its part of him.go to one of the shoots Knob creek is the big one,never been but took in all the ones by the minute men in NH and Maine.

 

[StealthyBlagga]

For years I saw no value in FA... it seemed like just a way to waste ammo. I still don't get the whole "stand in a line and make noise" stuff like Knob Creek . However, when I discovered that there is a thriving full-auto competitive scene here (Phoenix AZ), with USPSA/3-gun style matches a couple of times a month, I became motivated to build up a MAX-11 subgun. Its a great tool for competitive use (way better than M16/9, MP5 or even the venerable Uzi), and I can tell you - as a VERY experienced IPSC and 3-gun competitor - there are few things more enjoyable in life than shooting a practical subgun stage Here's a video and picture to whet your appetite:

 

[SaMx]

personally, I'd much rather have an SBR and/or a supressor than a full auto.

 

[mp510]

There are plenty of Sig parts kits for rifles, and some Galil models, so it wouldn't be the greatest stretch when applying for an SOT3 to be interested in rebuilding the guns with the intent of marketing them to local law enforcement. A Sig 556 with FA option to the local police department perhaps.

01FFL+03SOT is for dealing
07FFL+02SOT is for making.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

There are no transferable full auto Glocks

Prove it.

 

[2RCO]

I'm pretty sure there is a transferrable 1911 conversion or two out there as well. I've seen videos of them at Full Auto Shoots... I guess they could be 02 owners though...

 

[paintballdude902]

im pretty sure there are like 3 transferable glocks in the us

really id like a few just for the cool factor like a BAR and a riesing

but the only thing i would really shoot and that i really want is a full auto .22lr not the american 180 just liek a full auto ruger 10/22 or something along that line

 

[TheFallGuy]

I would love a 1919. If I could legally build a FA receiver for it, I would. My Jeep would love to have a 1919 mounted on the back. Tragically, firing from a moving vehicle is something I have never done as we never had M2's on our trucks in Iraq. I would love to shoot a full auto from a moving truck, to hear the brass crashing on the floor.

I did fire a mini gun mounted to a UH60 once. I think for a full 30 seconds. It felt like the power of god. I could never feasibly afford it, but I would love to do it again!

 

[mp510]

im pretty sure there are like 3 transferable glocks in the us

There is no transferable Glock machine pistols. There may be a couple of transferable conversion devices for Glocks or converted Glocks that were registered.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

There is no transferable Glock machine pistols. There may be a couple of transferable conversion devices for Glocks or converted Glocks that were registered.

No 18's those we're made past 1986

The last part is the only way,of course only way to find out is if you have access to the NFRTR, unless there is a ATF agent who post here and is willing to break the privacy laws and tell us, our only other option is a owner/collector speaks up, not a lot of owners are the bragging type, (except for some of the ones that post)

 

[freakshow10mm]

Prove it.

This is fun. I love these guys that think there are a handful of G18s fully transferable commanding tens of thousands of dollars. Get a clue.

The Glock 17 was Gaston Glock's first handgun design, which was introduced in 1980. The Glock 18 shortly thereafter. The Glock 19 was introduced in 1988.

The Glock 18 was made prior to 1986. However since it was and currently is produced outside of the USA, it is subject to the importation restriction set forth by the Gun Control Act of 1968. Ever hear of a pre-86 or pre-May dealer sample? Well those are machine guns that were imported after 1968 but made before 1986. SOTs can obtain them without the demo letter required by 922(o) and keep them when their SOT expires but can only transfer them to another SOT, not to an individual because it is not fully tranfserable.

Here is the pertient information from the GCA 1968:

(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—

...

(4) to any person any destructive device, machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986), short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, except as specifically authorized by the Attorney General consistent with public safety and necessity;

This bans the importation of MG, SBR, SBS to sell to civilians (non-SOT).

So the Glock 18, a machine gun being made before 1986 in a foreign country required to be imported to the USA is thus bound by the GCA of 1968 which states said machine gun cannot be sold to a not SOT individual. These are known as post sample machine guns.

Here's the time line for machine gun and transfering:

Fully Transferable- legal for civilian to own
Foreign manufacture and import before 1968
Domestic manufacture up to May 1986

Pre May or Pre 86 Dealer Sample- no LE demo/purchase letter required for transfer
Foreign manufacture and import between 1968 and May 1986

Post May or Post 86 Dealer Sample-LE demo/purchase required for transfer
Foreign or domestic manufacture after May 1986

Again, since the Glock 18 was introduced after the GCA of 1968 and was imported due to the manufacturing taken place in Austria, it is not legal for civilians to own. There are no fully transferable (domestic manufacture before 1986 or foreign import before 1968) Glock 18 machine pistols in existence. There are no prototypes that were assembled in the USA prior to 1986. This is fact. If you don't accept it, that's your deal.

Since I stated my case, I'd like to see your evidence of G18s in existence in civilian hands that are fully transferable currently on a Form 4.

 

[NC-Mike]

What are all the Glock 18 C videos on YouTube?

I don't know, I'm really asking, there seem to be a lot of full auto Glocks out there.


http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=glock+18&search_type=&aq=f

 

[freakshow10mm]

Those are either Class 3 SOTs with samples, Class 2 SOTs with converted guns, foreign civilians in other countries, or illegally converted guns in the US. Most of them are SOTs in the US.

 

[Flame Red]

All I can say is I smile ear to ear each time I do a full mag dump.

 

[freakshow10mm]

That's called the 30rd Grin.

 

[femoralis]

The 1986 MG ban is wretched unconstitutional nonsense. I hope I live long enough to see it repealed.

 

[freakshow10mm]

Both the NFA and GCA are unconstitutional. I'd like to see them both gone.