Full Nylon Jacketed Ammo?

[Kiln]

I bought some .40S&W today for about $15 per box and then I noticed that they were something I'd never seen before. The jackets are nylon. It is very odd to me.

Is there anything I should know about them? I got them to use for practice but I'm just wondering that if someone had to use them for defense (lack of a better choice), how would they work?

This question is purely academic because I've got a couple hundred rounds of Federal HP ammo stored back. I was just kind of curious.

 

[Comrade Mike]

Please post picture, I've never heard of nylon jacketed ammo!

 

[Jim K]

Neither have I and I don't think a nylon jacket would grip the lands without skidding. Could they be Simunition rounds?

http://simunition.com/en/products/fx_marking_cartridges

Jim

 

[JTQ]

I've got to admit, I didn't think NYCLAD bullets were still being made.

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/handgun.aspx?id=828

 

[Kiln]

Here is a link to some for sale at Cabela's but the box I bought was .40S&W rather than the 9mm Luger I've linked to.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Hert...m-Ammunition-with-Dry-Storage-Box/1267294.uts

I was totally dumbfounded when I opened the box and saw them inside, then I noticed that the box said "total nylon jacket" on it and I was just in awe. Never seen or even heard of these before.

It isn't the same as simunition, it is dangerous (to the guy in front of it) ammo but it seems that the main intent would be to make cheap practice rounds. It still has a lead core.

So, if used for protection, would these things work well at all? I understand that penetration would suffer from lacking a metal case and don't intend to use these for defense. I was just thinking that the lead inside would deform like crazy with nothing around it but nylon.

 

[481]

Here is a link to some for sale at Cabela's but the box I bought was .40S&W rather than the 9mm Luger I've linked to.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Hert...m-Ammunition-with-Dry-Storage-Box/1267294.uts

I was totally dumbfounded when I opened the box and saw them inside, then I noticed that the box said "total nylon jacket" on it and I was just in awe. Never seen or even heard of these before.

It isn't the same as simunition, it is dangerous (to the guy in front of it) ammo but it seems that the main intent would be to make cheap practice rounds. It still has a lead core.

So, if used for protection, would these things work well at all? I understand that penetration would suffer from lacking a metal case and don't intend to use these for defense. I was just thinking that the lead inside would deform like crazy with nothing around it but nylon.

Depends on how hard the lead core is.

Even with fairly soft lead, they'll penetrate soft tissue like any other ball round- expect upwards of 24" of penetration and very narrow wound channels.

Not exactly the best choice if JHPs are available, but if they are all that you have then they'll have to do.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Until you posted the link, I was thinking of the old S&W Nyclad ammo; which they later sold to Federal.

The original intent was to reduce lead contamination by fully enclosing the soft lead. The 125gr HP load was designed specifically for the M60's 1 7/8" barrel and was called the Chief Special's loading. It was both accurate and expanded reliably.

The Herter loading does look like an economy move with the Al case and the nylon coating to avoid leading by the soft alloy. I would think it would have the same wounding ability as lead ball

 

[Kiln]

Thanks guys, I just thought it was kinda neat and thought I'd share.

 

[Brass Fetcher]

So, if used for protection, would these things work well at all? I understand that penetration would suffer from lacking a metal case and don't intend to use these for defense. I was just thinking that the lead inside would deform like crazy with nothing around it but nylon.

Does the box have a muzzle velocity listed .. I can't find anything on the website. Even assuming that these are +P+, a 4" barrel will give you a maximum of 1300 ft/sec which is not fast enough to cause significant deformation even it its pure lead.

Sometimes I recover 124gr +P+ FMJs with a small flat spot on the nose but the expansion is nowhere near past the original diameter of the bullet.

115gr FMJ bullets are functionally identical to 124gr FMJs like the military uses .. and neither are good choices in terms of wound ballistics.

 

[pintler]

I dunno about other brands, but here is a gel test of Nyclad:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/38spl/fed38spl-125nhp-swm60.htm

IMHO, it has a place in for the ultralight J frames; 125 grains at 700 odd FPS is about the lowest recoil round you can come up with. If recoil is less of a priority, the Speer 135 gr short barrel load is worth a look:

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/12/clear-gel-terminal-testing-speer-38.html

 

[beatledog7]

Alas, where have all the Nyclads gone? I'm down to about 90. I'd sure love to have me some of the bullets for reloading.

 

[Tcruse]

They are range ammo. CCI is the maker and they perform about the same as the CCI Blazer Aluminum. There is a reduction of copper build up on your barrel and wear the barrel less. Some indoor ranges require bullets that have no exposed lead, so these and the plated bullets will be OK at such ranges. There may be a claim that the power and primers are also use safer chemicals.

 

[arizona98tj]

I've shot a bunch of the nylon clad 9mm 115 gr loads. Works very well....you are welcome to browse my review. I use it when I'm not able to retrieve my brass. I've gotten mine from Cabela's.

 

[Bob M.]

Here's a picture of the 158 Gr. RN Nyclads. I have 3 boxes of these.