G22 G4 Ghost Trigger bar and Springs

[mbruce]

I just installed the Ghost 3.5lbs trigger bar and their lighter springs kit...the trigger does not reset all the way forward so the trigger safety does not set. It does reset enough to fire a following round...just not enough for the trigger safety to engage. I can push the trigger forward enough for the safety to reset.. My other Glock Gen3s with the 3.5lbs trigger bar does not do this but i left the factory springs in my other Glocks... this is the first Glock that I replaced the trigger bar and the springs with lighter springs.

has anyone else had this problem? Again, G22 Gen4....Ghost 3.5lbs trigger bar AND springs kit.

Tomorrow I will call Ghost's customer service

Thanks

 

[LiveLife]

mbruce, I think your question is better suited for the Gunsmithing and Repair category.

Moderator, help!

 

[mbruce]

I did reinstall the factory trigger spring and the trigger safety does engage... so guess I concluded that with the lighter trigger spring it does not have enought tension to push the trigger forward enough to enable the trigger safety. Now that may be by design or defect??

I would like to keep the lighter trigger spring on the gun since it does make a difference...but if i have to choose I would rather have the trigger safety...


so i wonder if its a defect or by design?

 

[gaijin6423]

My Gen 2 did the same thing with it installed, but the trigger cycled normally under recoil...for a while. After around 200 rounds or so, things got interesting. As in, the pistol tended to fire while the trigger was being released, firing very, very rapidly. Scared the crap out of me when it happened, and it went right back to the gunsmith who installed the parts.

What he thought was happening was that the trigger pull was so light, and the reset so short, that the recoil of rounds being fired were causing my trigger finger to flinch slightly, reseting the trigger, and firing another round. Now, I may not be the most accomplished shooter out there, but I understand both followthrough, and how the mechanics of me shooting work. And I don't believe that I should have to have a deathgrip on the trigger to keep it from firing when I don't intend it to. Especially since I don't tend to do much slow, slow fire. The gun was supposed to be my backup USPSA gun, but if I can't fire well aimed shots in quick succession...

This was about two weeks ago, and I'm headed back to the 'smith in the next day or so to see what he came up with. I'm hoping that it didn't involve just putting the stock parts back into the pistol, as I'm not a fan of the stock trigger.

 

[mbruce]

Thanks for your feedback....our worries are the same...

As I was telling a mod earlier.... my level of shooting does not justify the negating of a safety measure. This situation is one where the finger doesn't necessarily have to be on the trigger for it to go bang...

The bar by itself performs flawlessly...things only get hairy when you change the trigger spring which essentially deactiivates the trigger safety by shortening the travel...

I wonder what Ghost or Wolff has to say....probably take caution? Heh

 

[gaijin6423]

I've been shooting competitively, in military training, and in harm's way for over 15 years, and I hunted well before that. Nothing in my relatively limited experience justifies modifying a firearm to negate a safety mechanism.

Just for clarification, now that I haven't been drinking my latest batch of homebrew: Your trigger wasn't resetting under recoil, or it wasn't resetting when you dry fired and then cycled the slide to re-cock the striker?

 

[mbruce]

good question! I thought about the same thing.... it wasn't resetting enough when dry fired and then cycled the slide to re-cock the striker....

now the trigger will reset enough to fire again...just not far enough for the trigger safety to be enabled.

I didn't really want to try it out at the range although I guess I should. I did cycle the slide with some force just to see if it would reset the trigger safety and it did not....i realize i don't have the same amount of force -- but i tried...heh.

 

[gaijin6423]

I didn't notice it not resetting during dry fire and manually cycling the slide, but the safety was operable/did reset under recoil. It's just that pesky bump-fire-like behavior that made me take it back. The last thing I need on either a Virginia Count stage, or (much worse) in a situation where I had to draw while carrying, is the gun firing when I don't intend it to.

As touchy as I found my 3.5-modded G22, I have a friend who installed the Rocket kit in his G17. Absolutely no over-travel, but it's an obscenely light and short pull. Definitely not for a carry gun, IMO.

 

[mbruce]

yea this gun is for the range only. I have a LW extended compensated 9mm barrel in it.

I called Wolff and they said they have received a few calls from g4 owners with the same problem but they cannot duplicate it...so it's a hit or miss i guess. The springs are designed for the factory bar -- I'm using the 3.5lbs bar -- so I have a call into the Arthur with Ghost.

Can you ask your friend if the Rocket kit "disabled" his trigger safety? I have the kit but not the rocket kit -- I didn't care about the self-cleaning...

 

[gaijin6423]

Actually, I already did when I saw this thread. He hasn't had any issues with his Gen 3 G19, and runs it regularly in USPSA.