Getting Stopped by the Police w/ a Car/Truck Shoulder Weapon?

[RAY WOODROW 3RD]

For the New Jersey people out there.......

How a gunowner in NJ should respond: (my personal opinion)

Officer: Are there any drugs or firearms in the vehicle I should know about?

N.J. resident: No officer there are no drugs or ILLEGAL firearms in the vehicle.

Officer: May I search the vehicle?

N.J. resident: No sir. I do not consent to a search.

Reason:

All my firearms are legally owned and legally carried to and from the range. I will not give any information that will allow the officer to go on a "discovery hunt" thru my vehicle. I feel it is not the officer's business if they are legally transported, owned, and he cannot see them because they are cased and covered. He should not be worried about it. If he is pulling me over for another reason besides a traffic stop, he will find the cased guns soon enough. The mention of guns in this state is a NO, NO.

In the State of New Jersey, as soon as I say, "Yes officer they are in the back cased" to the gun question, I feel that I would be taken out of my vehicle, handcuffed, possibly arrested just for having the balls to own firearms, and my stuff taken into custody/destroyed. How is that for the feeling that police give to the adverage law abiding citizen!
(yea, I can fight to get them back in court but I do not have the tons of money it would take to do so and neither do many other NJ residents.)

There is an anti-gun mentality in a good portion of the police in this state. (Kind of sounds like the SF area doesn't it?) Not all police but a good majority. When dealing with firearms, the less information you give them the better off you will be. At least in this state.
(again, just my personal opinion.)

 

[tetleyb]

Wow, I just read all of the slams, etc against me. I didn't think what I posted was that out of sorts. Saying that, maybe I should explain further, down to the smallest detail.

About me: I run my police departments firearms program. 250 sworn police officers and I train them the same way I think. So, I guess that makes them ALL Nazi's. If you read what I wrote, I said something to the effect of: "If you drove a truck with a rifle, etc hanging from the back, you would get pulled over on a high risk stop." Not just by me, but by EVERYONE in my department.

I've attended in excess of three thousand hours of firearms training, around the world. This includes, British SAS, Delta Force, etc. This is above and beyond the police academy and in-service training. I was a US Marine many years ago; when I was thinner and had hair.

In California, 12031 PC-carrying a loaded firearm in public. It is a misdemeanor and, as such, is arrestable by sight. How do I, or any other police officer know what your going to do with said rifle or shotgun, hanging from your gun rack?

Think catch 22. The people who are bashing me, would bash me, if me or my officers didn't stop someone and they went out and shot somebody. Only to find out later, we knew about it.

I don't work for San Francisco PD. I work for a department in Alameda County. My department is very well known, in the area, for hard, aggressive police work. Now, I am NOT a liberal. I don't like liberal policies, etc. I am a republican who believes in the 2nd Amendment.

At the sametime, I am not going to be killed by some person who wants to die or wants to kill a cop for whatever reason. OFFICER SAFETY overrides any type of compassion, etc. Yes, I WILL go home at night, EVERY NIGHT. If it means pulling out law abiding people who have guns, at gun point, every night, I will. I don't know they are law abiding until then.

Other areas, like I said, in California treat these things differently. So does Atlanta, GA. Without slamming the south (it will come across this way), the south has, for the past 10 years, had more murdered police officers, then ALL OTHER regions in the US COMBINED. Look it up on the FBI website. The souths training is poor and so are their tactics. Its a fact. You can argue it all you like, however the facts are there.

Bottom line: Ask yourself this. Are you going to stand next to a car, knowing there is a gun in the car, and talk to someone like Little Bo Peep? Or are you going to take the necessary precautions to keep you and your family safe? I take the safe line.

If you have never had a gun stuck in your face or been involved in a shooting, I suggest you listen to people who have (yes, I have). Those are my points and my points only.

 

[tetleyb]

One more point I left out in my reply. Erico made a good point. Would I pull you out of the car if your firearm was locked in the trunk, in an approved container, as prescribed by 12026 PC? No, I would not.

My main intention was for a rifle/shotgun hanging in plain view or one immediately accessible by the person in the car.

 

[EricO]

In response to JoeBogey: Just keep on wondering. I'm wondering why you couldn't come up with something more important to say, other than to just stir the pot. HHhhmmmm...As for TetleyB, he probably just hasn't checked in with the forum yet, give him time.

Chas, you would be wasting your time, because TetllyB is enforcing the laws of this area, and you are not. It's simple, isn't it.

Ray Woodrow 3rd: I agree with you. Besides, if you are transporting your weapons legally, what do you have to fear? This has gone so far off base that I believe we've lost track of the orig. question Skunk posed. Sorry about that Skunk!

Edited to add: AAhhh, finally. Thanks for clearing this up TetleyB, I needed some backup. I'm glad to read that my assumption was correct.
EricO

 

[Giant]

Here in the peoples republic of Kali there is a provision in the state law protecting law abiding people on their way to or from a firing range from harassment by over eager LEO. The state law permits the transport of properly cased and unloaded firearms to and from a firing range. Also when one is going to or from a hunting event, to a gun shop or gun show legal transport can occur. In addition one is allowed to keep a firearm for self protection in their camp, this could include a pick up camper, or a travel trailer. All of this means one should not be pulled from their vehicle at gun point when one is in compliance with state law. If! events like that occurred with a frequency more than once, an attorney savvy in extracting hugh amounts of money from public agencies would proceed to earn his pay and it would be a lot!.

Having said that, Kali is a very extreme anti gun state. I know nearly all Leo in the ranks are fine people. But the facts show there are in the upper echelons of many Kali LEO agencies some of the most corrupt people on the planet. Many county sheriffs in Kali will issue concealed carry only to their friends, and to those who contribute money to the campaign war chest of the sheriff, and or to the fund of the sheriffs posse. There are also documented chiefs of police who have played similar games. Also, but not least the attorney general of Kali is a documented criminal, along with several top cops in the state dept. of justice firearms division. Look at events relating to AB 1044.

Documented! These folk are protecting each other, with some help from members of the state legislature and possibly the governor himself. (http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/). This site is part of several put up by Jim March. Thank you Jim! Start here and read for two or three days and one can see just how corrupt politics in Kali have become. Kali is imploding and the corrupt politicians can not suppress it. Change is coming soon, I would very much like to see the entire story on the front page of every newspaper in Kali.

Back to being pulled out of ones vehicle at gun point, I think the officer who wrote that is simply trying to show off and show us all how rough and tough he is. I would invite this officer to explain here what he really meant. It is possible some or all of us read what is not there.

EDIT: I posted this not realizing tetelyb had made a reply which better explains his views. My post stands as written other than this comment.

Giant

 

[SkunkApe]

How do I, or any other police officer know what your going to do with said rifle or shotgun, hanging from your gun rack?

-tetleyb

Come to think of it, how do I know what you are going to do with that pistol on you hip?

Bottom line: Ask yourself this. Are you going to stand next to a car, knowing there is a gun in the car, and talk to someone like Little Bo Peep?

-teleyb

That's what I usually do when you pull me over, because you do have a gun in the car, and and badge. Secretly, I'd like to tell you to quit harassing me and go catch some real criminals, but my better judgement prevails.

Protect and serve. Yeah, right.

 

[pax]

All right. I think this has been adequately discussed, and that nothing good can come of drawing the discussion out further.

TetleyB, thank you for coming back to explain and expound upon your first post. And thanks for not sniping back at the folks who sniped at you personally rather than discussing what you said.

pax