Girsan MC 14T .380 Tilt Barrel Pistol

[Great Scot]

Just saw this pistol. Looks really interesting. Obviously an inexpensive copy of Beretta 86, but with a 13 round magazine capacity.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/eaa-announces-the-new-girsan-mc-14t-380-tilt-barrel-pistol/

 

[Walkalong]

Well that's cool.

 

[CNobbe]

I love how the Turkish companies are resurrecting old models of certain guns, the Hi Power detective clone is pretty neat, too.

 

[gobsauce]

Dammit, these Turks keep making things that I want.

 

[bannockburn]

I had a Beretta Model 84 when they first came out and it was a fun gun to play with at the range. Felt it was a bit too oversized for concealed carry but I thought it was infinitely suitable for home defense. Nice to see Girsan recycling and redoing some of Beretta's older designs.

Now if only they would bring back Beretta's Model 90 (Roma); a very stylish semi-auto in .32 ACP.

 

[Gordon]

Never could find a Beretta 86 I could afford.That looks very interesting, I like tilt barrel pistols.

 

[JN01]

Tilt barrels eliminate the issue of bullet set-back from rechambering a round multiple times.

 

[jar]

Still trying to find out if it has an extractor.

 

[tercel89]

I don't think any pistol can have an extractor if it has a "pop-up" barrel like this. You would have to keep this thing VERY clean around the chamber for the brass to eject properly. I've had a .32 and .22 like this from Beretta. After around 50 rds , the chamber gets coated with carbon and makes the brass stick inside the chamber and it wont eject.

 

[jar]

I don't think any pistol can have an extractor if it has a "pop-up" barrel like this. You would have to keep this thing VERY clean around the chamber for the brass to eject properly. I've had a .32 and .22 like this from Beretta. After around 50 rds , the chamber gets coated with carbon and makes the brass stick inside the chamber and it wont eject.

And that is why I really can't see the tip up barrel pistols as a good choice today for someone who cannot rack the slide easily. See this post in another thread.

What gun for disabled wife - she has MS

 

[lee n. field]

Still trying to find out if it has an extractor.

no extractor

 

[C0untZer0]

If it really has a barrel length of 4.5" - that is longer than the Beretta Model 86 and I believe that the Beretta Model 86 was the longest barreled 380 ACP in the U.S. besides the Cobray.

 

[Hasaf]

My biggest "not for me" is that it is a straight blowback. The result is going to be a very snappy recoil when compared to modern designs.

 

[Great Scot]

I think it’s another option for folks, which is always a good thing. Sure, it doesn’t have an extractor, but it’s a centerfire gun, so it won’t have the issues that sometimes plague the Beretta 21a in 22lr. And like any other defense gun, you train with it so you figure out it’s issues.

 

[GarrettJ]

I don't think any pistol can have an extractor if it has a "pop-up" barrel like this. You would have to keep this thing VERY clean around the chamber for the brass to eject properly. I've had a .32 and .22 like this from Beretta. After around 50 rds , the chamber gets coated with carbon and makes the brass stick inside the chamber and it wont eject.

This is not caused by the lack of an extractor. Think about it. The only time the extractor pulls the case out of the chamber is when you manually retract the slide.

When the gun fires, the extractor doesn’t pull the case out. Quite the opposite. The case pushes the slide back. The extractor gives the case something to pivot off when struck on the opposite side by the ejector. But with the open-slide design of the Beretta, this isn’t really necessary.

So if your cases aren’t leaving the chamber when fired, the lack of an extractor is not the cause.

 

[aaaaa]

My biggest "not for me" is that it is a straight blowback. The result is going to be a very snappy recoil when compared to modern designs.

Scroll down to the video. The lady seems to handle the recoil quite well:
https://eaacorp.com/product/girsan-mc-14t/

 

[aaaaa]

I don't own any .380s and was not planning ever to own one, but this gun is giving me the itch. Love my little Beretta Tomcat with the tip up barrel.

 

[wally]

Still trying to find out if it has an extractor.

If it is true to the Beretta original it won't. My Wife's Beretta 86 has worked with everything including the steel case Wolf .380 where most every other .380 with extractors would choke on it.

 

[gc70]

If it really has a barrel length of 4.5" - that is longer than the Beretta Model 86 and I believe that the Beretta Model 86 was the longest barreled 380 ACP in the U.S. besides the Cobray.

The Girsan's barrel is 1/8" longer, as is its overall length, while it weighs 1 ounce less than the Beretta 86, recognizing the 86 is a single-stack while the 14T is a double-stack.

 

[chicharrones]

This is not caused by the lack of an extractor. Think about it. The only time the extractor pulls the case out of the chamber is when you manually retract the slide.

When the gun fires, the extractor doesn’t pull the case out. Quite the opposite. The case pushes the slide back. The extractor gives the case something to pivot off when struck on the opposite side by the ejector. But with the open-slide design of the Beretta, this isn’t really necessary.

So if your cases aren’t leaving the chamber when fired, the lack of an extractor is not the cause.

What you say makes sense, but reality can be different with the little Beretta tip up barrels.

My Bobcat was just like @tercel89 's Bobcat and Tomcat. Once the chamber fouled, cases would stick in chamber. Which typically happened at 2 to 7 magazines fired through the gun.

I can't say about the .380 sized tip ups as I have no experience with them.

 

[GarrettJ]

My Bobcat was just like @tercel89 's Bobcat and Tomcat. Once the chamber fouled, cases would stick in chamber. Which typically happened at 2 to 7 magazines fired through the gun.

I don’t disagree that it happens. I just don’t think it’s caused by the lack of an extractor.

I have both a 21A and a couple of the Tomcats. I have found I can run a bore snake through them if the empties start to hang up and it clears up the issue pretty quickly.

Although thinking about it, I don’t know that the .32s have this issue. Seems to be more of a thing with the dirtier rimfire ammo.

 

[bannockburn]

Hasaf

My biggest "not for me" is that it is a straight blowback. The result is going to be a very snappy recoil when compared to modern designs.

As I stated in an earlier post I had a Beretta Model 84 which was roughly the same size and weight as the Girsan MC 14T. I found felt recoil and muzzle rise to be considerably less than other straight blowback guns that I have had over the years. I think this is because of the design of the wider grip frame, due to the double stack magazine, spreading the recoil over a greater area. This and the slightly heavier weight of the gun (a fully loaded 13 round magazine also adds 4.6 oz. to the gun), lends itself to better overall control and helps to minimize muzzle flip.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Dammit, I got excited for a minute thinking you meant a locked breech, metal frame, hammer fired .380, which would be a great suppressor host.

Wrong kind of tilting barrel.

 

[C0untZer0]

Indústria de Material Bélico do Brasil makes the IMBEL 380 GC MD2 a 1911 type 380 ACP.

It has a carbon steel frame and a 5" barrel.




https://www.imbel.gov.br/index.php/pistolas/84#topo

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[hemiram]

I think I might bite on one of these. I love my 4 Cheeta Berettas, and this fits right in and won't be a purely lucky find on GB or in a LGS like a 86 would be. Lots cheaper too. I expect it will be boringly reliable as all my Turkish guns have been.