Glass for an Ar-10

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Received my FAR-10 from Fulton armory. 18.5 in barrel with nice compensator to reduce recoil. I love the 308. Now am wondering what kind of glass to put on it. I am knew to the optics world.
I am looking at a Leupold firedot VX-6 in 1-6x or a Vortex Razor hd2 in 1-6x. I love the idea being able to use 1x like a red dot, and magnification for further distance.

I am trying to build a gun that can be employed quickly from 50-600 yards. Is a 6x enough to comfortable shoot at 500-600 yards? What do you guys recommend? I am a fan of buy once, cry once.
 

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Thank you. So you do feel like 6x is appropriate for a 600 distance. I also forgot to add that I definitely wanted a 1st focal plane scope as well. The leupold fits that nicely.
 
I think you would be better versed with a 2-10x or possibly a 4-12x for the mentioned yardages. I know you said your range is going to be 50-600 yards but what is your intended target? Weather it be varmint applications or tactical applications. Hitting a 4" wide groundhog at 600 yards is gonna be tough with 6x but a steel target may not be out of the possibility.


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This is excellent info! I will mainly be at the range with this rifle. I guess it would be more tactical. I do intend to go after some deer and hogs as well.
 
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I am fine with the higher powered scopes. But i am a bit worried about getting on to closer targets quickly. I have never shot with a scope before.
My other thought is to go with a small 45 degree offset reflex sight for closer targets. Although, that sounds a bit awkward.
What do you guys think about that? I am not too excited about it.
 
If budget wasn't a concern I'd invest in a Trijicon VCOG, they are 1-6 with incredibly clear bright rugged optics, and a BDC reticle which allows you to use it both eyes open and pick up closer targets. I've got an ACOG 4x32 on my AR15 and love it, but they don't come cheap. I don't have any trouble with picking up close targets with even the straight 4 power.

https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product1.php?id=VCOG
 
For 50 yards 3x or 4x shouldn't give much problem on picking up targets quickly. I would decide the power of the scope based on two things, range your shooting, and weight. For me I don't have a 600 yard range and I wanted lighter weight for offhand shooting so I went with a lightweight Leupold 1-4x. If weight is a concern to you then I think either of those Leupold or Vortex 1-6x would be a good choice but for 600 yards the 3-9x might be better if you don't mind the slightly added weight.

Just looking at the stats between your two choices right now especially for the distance your shooting I would get the Leupold. It has 1/4 moa adjustments as opposed to the 1/2 moa of the Vortex which will make a big difference at 600 yards. Also the Leupold has more reticle choices and you will be able to get a free custom CDS dial made for it.
 
Thank you for catching that! Your advice really helps to educate my decision. It is pretty much down to these two now
Leupold VX-6 (2-12x)
https://www.leupold.com/hunting-sho...copes/vx-6-2-12x42mm-cds-illuminated-reticle/

And
Leupold VX-6 multigun (1-6x)
https://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/scopes/vx-6-riflescopes/vx-6-1-6x24mm-30mm-multigun-cds/

The 2-12x is only 2.2 Oz heavier. Not earth shattering on a ten lbs Ar 10.
I really like the cmr2 reticle for the 1-6x as well, it actually has a 600 yard hold over.

Also like the firedot LR duplex reticle on the 2- 12x. Plus the 12x helps if I want to take longer shots with the 308. I wonder can they calibrate for 308 and put a more hold overs on it?
I really want some short of bullet drop compensator on whether ever I get.

What are you guys opinions, and Thanks again for the help!
 
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I am still new to optics.
Not sure what the optics world guidelines are on rifle/optic cost. It would be nice if some one would enlighten me. Mods/ knowledgable people feel free to jump in the conversation.

I think $1500ish for an optic is about my upper limit, for now.
The optic looks fantastic! I have never head of this brand. I will learn about them.

Otrman thanks for the info
 
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Personally, I think that if you're shooting at 500-600 yards, a 6X scope isn't enough. At least it wouldn't be for me. I tend to go overboard occasionally (is that even possible regarding guns and equipment?!), but I put a Leupold Mark 4, 8.5-25X on my .308. It would have a bit of trouble focusing at 50 yards, but from 100 yards on, it is quite nice. It is also available in a first-focal-plane I believe (the M5 version, if memory serves). It is right around your upper limit on cost, if you add illumination.

This is truly a beautiful scope to look through. I suppose that's why some in the military use if for special purposes. I think if you're down around 6X, you're going to have a hard time. Of course there are many others at a much lower cost - Vortex comes to mind. I tested a Vortex a while back and found it to be very nice for the money. Whatever you do, just don't scrimp on optics. You'll regret it down the line if you do.
 
Found another scope

Just saw another scope that seems intersting, seems like it would be compromise between the two leuplods. It 1st focal plane, I like the btr-2 reticle, and the bullet drops.
It is in mils though, don't know how to use that system yet. It is the heaviest of the 3 scope

Anyone have experience with these? How did you like them?
Also saw this primary arms 1-8x. Also seems good, but heavy like the Bushnell.

Bushnell elite smr 1-8.5x

Stats
http://bushnell.com/tactical/rifle-scopes/elite-tactical/smrs-1-8-5x-24mm

Price
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/17...m-first-focal-illuminated-btr-2-reticle-matte

Primary Arms 1-8x

http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-...th-advanced-mil-reticle/p/pa1-8x24ffp-ad-mil/

Video
https://youtu.be/PddpAFOC0iw
 
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Magnification Depends a lot on what your intended target is. High Power shooters at Camp Perry shoot irons at 600 yards. Bench rest shooters use 36x at far less distance

I like your idea about a six times zoom. You could get a 2-12 and have pretty much the best of both worlds. You won't go wrong buying good glass. And, you do get what you pay for in optics.
 
Yeah, I am torn. At this point I am using this thread to save info on scopes that I like, when it comes time to make a decision.
Still leaning toward the leupold 2-12x. For the weight, price, and mag range it seems really good. But I lose much of the red capability. I wish leupold made 1 -8x illuminated reticle. Honestly the range I go to has 600 targets. Most of my shots will be at 300 paper targets or less. Same for any hunting I will do.
 
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I have a vortex 1.5×6.5 FFP with the chevron reticle and rangefinder out to 600yrds and I love it. A little costly but nothing like the religion equals. I liked the scope so much that I went back a couple weeks later and bought 2 more for a couple other black guns. I think vortex is making some very good optics.
 
If you are shooting paper at 300 and occasionally 600 yards then I think the 2-12 leupold would be the best choice. However like mentioned before people shoot irons at 1000 yards so if you want the 6x for the illuminated reticle then you should be able to manage with it but it might be more of a challenge. Determine if you absolutely want that illuminated reticle or not. If so get the 1-6x but if not the 2-12x will make those longer shots easier with very little added weight.
 
Going to range to do some shooting. That should make the decision much easier. Thanks for all the help.
 
When I compare my one Vortex to any of my Leupolds, the only criticism I have is that it seems to me that the Vortex is less forgiving regarding the range of eye relief. You have to be situated perfectly behind the Vortex, while the Leupold allows you a little more variation. That said, the Vortex is a whole different price point generally. I like my Vortex and I love my Leupolds.
 
Strange the Leopold I looked at that was equally the same as the vortex 1.5×6.5FFP only had about a 3inch maybe a hair more eye relief and it was kinda hard to reach the charging handle. But the Vortex has a full 5inch eye relief, super clear, no problem with reaching the charging handle. I can throw my gun up with my eyes closed and then open them and always a full field of view and also I believe the Leopold was a bit cheaper also after around 3k rounds through my armalite's still shooting sub 1inch moa groups. Vortex super clear and all around great optics.
 
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