Glock 19 w/ trijicon shoots left?

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Hey all. I am somewhat of a novice shot with a handgun and do much better with a rifle. I shoot a p64 radom with one hell of a DA pull pretty accurately, but for some reason my glock 19 (with NY1 spring) has almost always shot left slightly. I blamed technique. I got trijicons installed by the local gun counter guy the other day and when I got home it looked like the rear sight was not centered in the slide perfectly. I took it shooting today and it shot left pretty bad, an inch or two at 21 feet out, but up and down was right on. I was in my truck so I had some tools and I drifted the rear sight to the exact center, which was moving it to the LEFT. So then my shots were way off to the left. I drifted them back and over a bit to the right of center and my shots were more grouped to the center of the target, almost at POA.

Is this normal, or am I a lousy glock shot? If the rear sight is supposed to be centered in the slide and it shoots left could this be all my fault? I don't want to train myself to be a poor shot by just drifting the sight aside to make up for my poor form. Or could it be legit, that it just needs to be there because it happens some times? I don't really have anyone else who is a decent shot to shoot it, either. I guess I could try at the range one day and ask someone to try it out. I just keep thinking the damn sight should be centered in the slide.
I was shooting two handed, leaning over the hood of my truck, fully relaxed and supported on the hood to make it as steady as possible.
Please offer some advice, - thanks!

Scott
 
Have someone else, someone who shoots Glosck well, shoot the pistol from a rest and that should tell you if its the Indian or the arrow.

Ideally the rear sight should be centered but this is not always the case. If you just got the sights put on I would take it back to the smith and ask him to zero the pistol.
 
Not the "target" again... I really wish people would stop posting that thing. It was developed for single hand bullseye shooting with a revolver. It has ZERO relevance to shooting a Glock 19 with a modern 2 handed combat grip.

It is a worthless tool which does nothing but miss-inform people and cause more problems then it helps because people simply repost it without understanding its origins.

If the OP can shoot the crappy P64 DA trigger even the Glock NYC trigger is not the issue IMHO.
 
The rear sights on both my Glocks are pushed right of center, it's just the way I see the sights I guess. Most all my other handguns are near center....It must be a Glock thing..:)
 
Not the "target" again... I really wish people would stop posting that thing. It was developed for single hand bullseye shooting with a revolver. It has ZERO relevance to shooting a Glock 19 with a modern 2 handed combat grip.
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Absolute nonsense. You make the same errors 2 handed as you make one handed. Grip alignment, squeeze and trigger finger position is basic to accuracy. Poor technique is not made up for by using 2 hands.

Todd Jarrett Pistol Grip Lesson pertains to one or two handed hold, single action or DA pistol of any type.
 
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I would try shooting with your other hand, and see if the group is off to the right. If the group is off the same amount the other way, you are consistantly off on your Glock trigger control.:D
 
I'll have to give that a whirl and shoot with my off hand. I just tapped the sight back to center, I'm going to 'start over' and see how it goes with proper trigger control. I'm just not convinced it's the gun yet, I guess.

Scott
 
When I first shot a Glock, my shots were off to the left(Rt handed) The trigger system has a learning curve, for sure!:)
 
I have rarely seen a Glock with the rear sight in the center of the slide. If you can shift the slide and improve where your group hits the target I say adjust the sights.
 
Absolute nonsense. You make the same errors 2 handed as you make one handed. Grip alignment, squeeze and trigger finger position is basic to accuracy. Poor technique is not made up for by using 2 hands.
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Wrong the corrections on that trigger do not apply to 2 handed shooting. It gives incorrect feedback yet people still post it and believe it is valid. If you want to use it go right ahead but every single person you direct to it you are doing a disservice to unless they are shooting one handed bulleye. Do the research and you will see that I am correct on this.

People consistently sight this target as proof of too much trigger finger causing shots to left with a right handed shooter. It says shots hitting at 9 o clock is the result of too much trigger finger. This is not always the case. If the rest of your technique is sound you can have the trigger finger all the way to the second joint and still shoot center to point of aim. More often than shots to the left from a right handed shooter shooting 2 handed is a result of poor grip pressure from the off hand not too much trigger finger. It could be too much trigger finger but it is in no way definitive as the target presents.

Stating it has ZERO relevance to shooting a Glock 19 with a modern 2 handed combat grip might be overstating it but it is not the helpful tool so many claim it to be.
 
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I just had a client out who had the same problem with both his G17 and G19. Took a little work to figure it out as he was shooting pretty good, just a bit left. The only way we knew it was him was that it shot pretty much on for me. When we moved back to 15 yards to see how much of an error it was, his group was in excess of 4". I tried it again and it did shoot a bit left, but all my shots (3) made a cloverleaf.

Turned out it was his grip which was causing inconsistent pressure on the gun. We had to go to one-handed shooting as his two handed grip was masking his inconsistencies.

Question: which grip style are you using?

rellasscout is correct that that diagnostic target is invalid was to trigger finger corrections. When using a two handed hold, I can put the trigger between my first two joints. or way out at the tip, and still make centered shots.
 
My 19 shoots left. It went back to Glock due to ejection problems. They sighted it in for me (LOL) sent the pistol back with a target and all shots were left. They failed to fix the ejection problems. Hopefully they will get it right this time. I have had several Glock shooters tell me that they tend to shoot left.
 
Question: which grip style are you using?
My answer -
I use a two handed, supported grip. I stand in the 'tactical stance' normally when I shoot. The shooting I did today, however was two hand, supported, resting on my hood to eliminate my swaying around.

It's wild, I have saved a bunch of targets from the quarry trips I take and it's amazing how less than 5% of my hits are to the right of the centerline of the target I was aiming at. That's even before the night sights. I look forward to doing some supported shooting at a real range so I get a 'pure' sample of my shooting where I can remove all of my potential excuses (elevation, cold, wind, uneven support, etc :eek: )

Thanks for the input, I appreciate any and all. I promise I can actually shoot my other firearms.... :rolleyes: I am going to keep dry firing too, as I want to learn to fire with both eyes open. I haven't even started training for that yet, I see two of most everything when I tried.
Is it a common thing for someone to ask the folks working at the range to fire their gun to see if it shoots straight?

Scott
 
Is it a common thing for someone to ask the folks working at the range to fire their gun to see if it shoots straight?
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While I'm not a range worker, I have been asked on occasion to shoot someone else's gun for that specific reason. Sometimes I can legitimately shoot the gun well, sometimes not.

I have never owned a glock, but I can shoot the wings off a gnat with a G34. I just tested one not too long ago for the purpose of verifying accuracy. It was plenty accurate in my hands. But that doesn't mean it's going to be in someone else's. If there's an obvious problem in your form, then you should try to correct it. If you're trying your absolute hardest to correct the form and you're still not hitting what you aim for, maybe you should try another gun.
 
Absolute nonsense. You make the same errors 2 handed as you make one handed. Grip alignment, squeeze and trigger finger position is basic to accuracy. Poor technique is not made up for by using 2 hands.

Todd Jarrett Pistol Grip Lesson pertains to one or two handed hold, single action or DA pistol of any type.
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Thanks for the video link!!!
 
I centered it in the slide, and I plan to head out tomorrow and get ready to do some supported groups and see what is up. I may even take my other spring with and see if it changes my groups. I know I don't really 'need' the NY1 trigger to provide safety but I just put it in for added buffer and I have never shot a glock without one. I just like the idea of more than a 5 lb pull. My other carry is a P-64, lol - 20+ lb pull on the first shot and I shoot it pretty straight.

I plan on bringing large targets so that I can shoot supported groups over and over full concentration - and having a hammer and soft drift with me to move that sight if I have to.

Thanks -
Scott
 
Well, I did head out and I am pleased to say that the issue seems to be with me rather than the firearm. When I put in 100%, it landed where it should. Pulling the trigger toward my right shoulder seemed to really make a difference.
I had a TT-33 with me and I was shooting it no problem, little effort. Amazing what a difference there is with shooting a glock (with NY1) - for me.
I'll put in the time and get it down, practice makes perfect.
Thanks again for the suggestions and comments.

Scott
 
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