Glock Frustrations

[armydog]

As for the OP...I'm definitely with him on a lot of his Glock frustrations. They seem to have little, if any, desire to actually make any aesthetic alterations from generation to generation. Nor do they seem to offer very many options that some would find appealing, like a production manual safety as one example.

Glock certainly has no lack of followers, so I guess there's something to be said for sticking to the basics and not going overboard with options.

I think the people at glock are terrified at doing anything cosmetically for fear of screwing up somewhere else inadvertently. It took 30 plus years for them to just slim up the frame a little with the 48, 43 and 43x. I bitched about that since 2002 cause I knew it could be done to make a slimmer single stack 9mm and I guess it will take another decade to slim up their 45/10mm.

They proved they could incorporate the manual safety with the Army prototype... that Sig won the contract for. And they do know that would actually sell a lot more for them if they made some with the manual safety. I don't know how many times I've heard someone say they won't consider a gun without a manual safety. They can be comfortable in their laziness for now I guess. lol

 

[Zerodefect]

I’d like a full size, 5” barrel, 8 round single stack .45 ACP Glock. A 1911 style Glock with actual 1911 capacity and barrel length.

Have you tried a Glock 41 yet? I carry it the same as a fullsize 1911.

 

[JR24]

Nah...nothing more to it. I'm a engineer, so I look at a lot of these things from an engineering viewpoint.

Comparisons between guns and calibers are rife with opinions, and that's great. Performance characteristics, however, can't be equitably discussed unless you hold some variables to be constant between your examples. Like comparing terminal ballistics between different calibers...to many differences, like different diameters, different velocities, different bullet masses, different bullet designs, etc. It's apples and oranges when you have that many variables which aren't the same between bullets.

You and I also seem to agree that aesthetics are a personally important characteristic! I find some revolvers to be drop-dead gorgeous! (Like my Colt SAA.)


As for the OP...I'm definitely with him on a lot of his Glock frustrations. They seem to have little, if any, desire to actually make any aesthetic alterations from generation to generation. Nor do they seem to offer very many options that some would find appealing, like a production manual safety as one example.

Glock certainly has no lack of followers, so I guess there's something to be said for sticking to the basics and not going overboard with options.

Personally I find the Gen 2-4 Glocks, especially the compacts to be the best looking polymer guns in common production. I appreciate the simplicity and clean lines over unnecessary (to me) jagged lines and cuts and clutter on the slides and grips.

The Gen 5 front serrations are a step back, aesthetically, in my opinion but I do also feel they are the best shooting of the lot, in my hands.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I appreciate the simplicity and clean lines over unnecessary (to me) jagged lines and cuts and clutter on the slides and grips.

Kahr P9?

 

[Terry G]

I'm just glad we have so many choices. Glock's for me are pretty much Blah. I own a G21 that is great, my night stand gun. I even bought a AA kit for it. The G17 left me cold. No comparison to the a CZ 75b in my opinion. I sold it. Compact? CZ P-01. Sub Compact? The Hellcat. Mini? Ruger LCPII. Target?.22 Ruger MKII 6 7/8" . .22 Plinker? Taurus TX22. You see where I'm going with this. There's a plethora of choices, aren't there? When I hear someone say "Glock's, or any other maker, are all I buy." I think, you are sure missing out!

 

[JR24]

Kahr P9?

Fair, I forgot about those. Almost bought one a few times and they do look great.

 

[SGW Gunsmith]

I can well recall when the Glock 19 first arrived on the scene. All the TV "talking heads" were covering their microphones with tears because of the "invisible gun" that thwarted airport security. That soon turned into "horse scat" when the realists started producing X-rays of what really did look like a dang GUN.
I passed on those early Glocks, mostly because of the wimpy 9mm Luger ammunition available at that time, so I continued to lug my all steel Caspian Arms Commander in .45 ACP around. That was until they introduced the Glock 22 & 23 in .40 S&W caliber. Then I ordered a Glock 23:

I also ordered a crappy Kydex holster that wore much of the Tennifer finish off the slide, and then sent the slide off to have it Robar coated and ditched the plastic holster for a Diamond D shoulder rig to carry when the season around here commanded thicker clothing.
After shooting all the variations involved with .40 S&W ammunition, I did find that this caliber is quite snappy with muzzle flip, so again, the barrel and slide was sent off to Mag-Na-Port to get muzzle end slots EDM'd into place. I feel that act has given me a bit more recovery time to get back on target, but like anything else, it's subject to one's experience:

I do find it very interesting though, that Glock, sorta being one of the first to offer plastic grip frames was soon copied by other manufacturers to the point where today, it's not easy finding an all steel pistola that anyone wants to tote around these days. I don't care how "fugly" she LOOKS, as long as she can COOK.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I do find it very interesting though, that Glock, sorta being one of the first to offer plastic grip frames

There's just no love for the original ploymer frame semi-auto pistol...the H&K VP-70.

Even worst, folks so often overlook the still in production polymer framed STI/SVI 2011

 

[SGW Gunsmith]

There's just no love for the original ploymer frame semi-auto pistol...the H&K VP-70.

Even worst, folks so often overlook the still in production polymer framed STI/SVI 2011

IIRC, weren't there some issues with the trigger on some of those H&K pistols?

 

[9mmepiphany]

IIRC, weren't there some issues with the trigger on some of those H&K pistols?

I guess you could call being heavy an issue. It felt very similar to that of a Steyr AUG....expect it slid as opposed to pivoting. I didn't think it was horrible when you consider that it was meant to trigger a three round burst...when attached to the factory buttstock.

The VP-70 I shot wasn't mine, it was part of a H&K LE demo that I attended. The most fun was the MP-5k when shot from inside the factory briefcase

 

[Skylerbone]

One of many things I love about Kahr is the variety. You can buy a stainless frame with polygonal rifling, a polymer frame with poly rifling, or a polymer frame with traditional rifling. .380 to .45 and in different sizes and as pointed out, very clean lines. Trigger is fantastic to boot.

 

[HPJeep]

Glock is making bad decisions on the marketplace and reading the moves of it competition much like Colt did back in the day. Other companies are out-Glocking Glock and doing a better job at it.

 

[JR24]

Glock is making bad decisions on the marketplace and reading the moves of it competition much like Colt did back in the day. Other companies are out-Glocking Glock and doing a better job at it.

Are they though? Do we have any clue about Glocks financials?