Glock, the awakening...

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Ziro

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So.. It's been about a decade. I have always invested emotion into my guns. Purchases, which is fine. Range days, which is fine. Concealed carry, which isn't wise.

Why? Well.. It's simple. I've asked and spoke to several friends of mine after having this "revelation" and they all agreed. Some have always known about this but didn't have the heart to break it to me.

I love 1911s and Browning High-Powers. I used to love SIG Sauer and Heckler and Koch as well. In some ways, I still do. But investing emotion into your carry gun would often times prove that I wasn't carrying the best self defense option for myself and my needs. (I'm aware we are all different).

Emotionally attached to 1911s and Browning High-Powers. I ignored the fact that they had external safeties and that my muscle memory is tuned to firearms that do not have safeties. Therefore I never really trained with them before. So it wasn't instilled in my muscle memory / draw stroke. Crazy enough, often times. I'd carry them anyways. Even in Florida where it can be 95 degrees and 90% humidity, guns like the 1911, BHP, and even SIG would rust. Grip screws, components (decocker, safety, take-down levers), and the sights. Not to mention any scuffing from one handed manipulations on the SIGs. I would deal with all that negativity when I didn't have to, because I was emotionally attached to the aforementioned weapons.

Carried SIG Sauer and HK for many, many years. Loved them as well. But I don't carry them much more these days. I've invested time (a lot less) into my striker fired pistols where every trigger pull is the same weight from first to last. Now I finally know what that means. Granted, I've owned Glock for that entire time I've mentioned above.. I just never gave them the time of day because they're ugly.


This revelation came on due to an unfortunate turn of events. I now carry Glock. A Glock 19 with a Surefire XC1 (much smaller than the X300U I was lugging around) and a Glock 43. Each with one or two spare magazines.
I do a lot of outdoor activities and I carry at a place where I am no allowed to, where I work. So concealment is key.

Sweat doesn't seem to phase them, the humidity of Florida doesn't seem to phase them.

I don't have lint, deodorant, and sand going into the gun via the hammer mechanism.

Easy to detail strip with just a single punch if need be.

Long range days, drills, and / or classes in the sun.. The grip doesn't cook with the sun nor with a high round count.

They have yet to jam on me. Though it will happen one day, I had to use dude rounds to induce failures and such.

I can go on....

Basically, I was missing out on a lot because I let emotion and appearance and the fact that the fandom of these pistols and the people who'd invest way too much into them. There ARE other firearm manufacturers who are just as reliable and durable. However, for my needs. This one is the hardest to beat.



Anyone else looking to separate emotion to their pistols for self defense and gets what's best for possibly the biggest potential fight of your life? Anyone do it recently? In the past?

Asking and just thought I'd share. Thanks all.
 
Funny, I went through a similar process before I selected the Glock 19 for EDC. After doing all the research and coming to similar conclusions, the Glock is very hard to beat.

The ability to go from 15/16 rounds to 32 stick mags is another fantastic option with the Glock Platform. Being able to escape a bad situation by laying down supressive firepower, esp. with the threat of terrorism is a recent consideration. The baby Glocks can also use all the magazines of their bigger brothers. Another big plus.

Simplicity, reliability, weight, durability and firepower all make sense to me.
 
I feel the same way, glocks have no "soul", no life, but they are amazingly reliable and simple

I had a G17 gen 4 for a while, traded it for a CZ-75B that just fits me better and I shoot better, that said, once I am able to start rebuilding the collection, I will be adding a glock back into the collection, probably the 9mm Baby Glock for ease of concealment

One other glock benefit, if you had to use it defensively, and it was taken as evidence by law enforcement, it'd be easier to replace than one of your sentimental nice guns
 
*Waits for someone to complain that the new late Gen 3/Gen 4 finish isn't as good as the old finish,,,*

And remember that Glocks are PERFECT which is why most of us that own Glocks alter them in one way or another. ;)
 
Glocks just work.



Alter them? Just the sights for me. I guess I have grip tape on the Gen3's
 
As Magtech said "I feel the same way, glocks have no "soul", no life, but they are amazingly reliable and simple ", no truer words have ever been spoken.

They are also ugly but the work!
 
There are people who get as emotionally invested in Glocks as in 1911s, or Fords, or Apples, or whatever. It's all just stuff. None of it has a soul. None of it has any meaning other than that which we attach to it. And you can't take any of it with you when you go.
 
For a while Volvo's were (and maybe still are?) considered the safest cars on the road. I wouldn't drive one because they didn't "do it" for me. I was completely indifferent to them. Same applies here. Glock may be statistically the most reliable semi-auto gun out there, but if you feel nothing when you hold or shoot one...I just can't explain it. Shot many, will never own one.
 
It's not the looks of plastic guns, including Glocks, that I hate; it's the feel. They are entirely unrewarding for me to shoot or practice with. While I could carry one or shoot with one if I needed to, I don't need to because I don't have issues with guns that I do enjoy using.

But rejoice, all ye plastic gun lovers, because my complete lack of interest just leaves more of them for you to own. Enjoy to your heart's content. ;)
 
I was in IPSC for many years. Used the P-35 caused it never jammed. Made class 'A' by beating over 40 people at a new clubs inauguration match. Many a 1911 choaked that day. My P-35 never did. So you can see reliability is something I rate highly.

So about the time I entered IDPA the Glock was taking America by storm. I got a Gen. 2, Glock 17 and that gun went way past 100,000 rounds. Had problems with CCI aluminum cases after about 40,000 rounds. New extractor and brass ammo and no problem!

And in the Glock .vs. 1911 matches, where one shoots 1000 rounds strait with no cleaning, the only guns to make it 100 percent of the time, for all the guns of that type, was the Glock 17!

So while I have some mighty good six guns and some mighty good 1911s, I use Glocks most often.

Deaf
 
What if I told you there are actually carry guns besides glock?

If it's in my carry rotation it's been perfect...and there's no glocks in my safe.

Though I would like a g20 sf for woods work, I miss my g20, but admit hated the 26.
 
I'm the opposite, historic significance or emotion is not a factor.
I've got 1911's (Dan Wesson, Les Baer) but carry Glocks.
I prefer the operation of the Glock (do not have to disengage manual safety) plus it is lighter and holds more bullets.
Also, I can install or replace night sights on the Glock myself (not so easy with 1911).
 
Ziro said:
So.. It's been about a decade. I have always invested emotion into my guns. Purchases, which is fine. Range days, which is fine. Concealed carry, which isn't wise.

Why? Well.. It's simple. I've asked and spoke to several friends of mine after having this "revelation" and they all agreed. Some have always known about this but didn't have the heart to break it to me.

I love 1911s and Browning High-Powers. I used to love SIG Sauer and Heckler and Koch as well. In some ways, I still do. But investing emotion into your carry gun would often times prove that I wasn't carrying the best self defense option for myself and my needs. (I'm aware we are all different). . . . .

Carried SIG Sauer and HK for many, many years. Loved them as well. But I don't carry them much more these days. I've invested time (a lot less) into my striker fired pistols where every trigger pull is the same weight from first to last. Now I finally know what that means. Granted, I've owned Glock for that entire time I've mentioned above.. I just never gave them the time of day because they're ugly.

This revelation came on due to an unfortunate turn of events. I now carry Glock. A Glock 19 with a Surefire XC1 (much smaller than the X300U I was lugging around) and a Glock 43. Each with one or two spare magazines.
I do a lot of outdoor activities and I carry at a place where I am no allowed to, where I work. So concealment is key.

Sweat doesn't seem to phase them, the humidity of Florida doesn't seem to phase them.

I don't have lint, deodorant, and sand going into the gun via the hammer mechanism. . . .

They have yet to jam on me. Though it will happen one day, I had to use dude rounds to induce failures and such.

I can go on....

Anyone else looking to separate emotion to their pistols for self defense and gets what's best for possibly the biggest potential fight of your life? Anyone do it recently? In the past?

Asking and just thought I'd share. Thanks all.
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As Tom Servo (I think it was) posted on TFL when I posted "A Grudging Review of the Glock 19," . . . . "there comes a time in every boy's life when he notices . . . . changes." ;)

Seriously, the "9mm carry pistol" market is loaded with good choices. Glock is but one of them. That said, the G19 is a hard combination to beat.
 
I think I can honestly say that I'm only emotionally attached to a few of my handguns. Probably because I have them for so long, they have served me well, and they would be difficult (and somewhat expensive), to replace. For concealed carry and home defense I ha e guns that fit me very well and are extremely reliable for the job at hand. They can be found just about everywhere (much like the ubiquitous Glock), and while I do enjoy having them around and using them, I don't have the same emotional attachment to them as I do with the others.
 
What if I told you there are actually carry guns besides glock?

If it's in my carry rotation it's been perfect...and there's no glocks in my safe.

Though I would like a g20 sf for woods work, I miss my g20, but admit hated the 26.
No doubt there are! I have a few myself.

But the Glocks works and works and that is all I'm concerned with.

My Glock 35 works like my Glock 31 which works like by Glock 32 and my Glock 26 and my Glock 43....

And they all work VERY well. And if I drop them, I don't get upset. If they get wet, I don't get upset. If they get dinged (kind of hard to do) I don't get upset. Or worn finish.. I don't get upset. And if I'm involved in a shooting and the police get the gun as evidence, I don't get upset.

Deaf
 
No doubt there are! I have a few myself.

But the Glocks works and works and that is all I'm concerned with.

My Glock 35 works like my Glock 31 which works like by Glock 32 and my Glock 26 and my Glock 43....

And they all work VERY well. And if I drop them, I don't get upset. If they get wet, I don't get upset. If they get dinged (kind of hard to do) I don't get upset. Or worn finish.. I don't get upset. And if I'm involved in a shooting and the police get the gun as evidence, I don't get upset.

Deaf
They take all the fun right out of shooting they do! :D
 
For EDC, i choose to use a tool that is reliable, durable and not so expensive that when it gets "carry worn" I don't really shed a tear.

I have no emotional attachment to any of my guns, that's what wives and family are for. I do however, have respect for tools that work and for me that is Glock. I carry one every single day, a G19 Gen4 currently, but probably going back to a G19 Gen2 as I like the grip better. I've carried Glocks since 1992, a G23 or G27 back then.

I own some very fine guns for shooting and enjoy them immensely, but the though of strapping on a $3K 1911 in the Florida heat and running the chance of it rusting or getting dinged up in the woods would kill me. I sometimes have to wade into waist deep swamp water, I just can't abuse my Wilsons that way.

So, OP, good for you. All boiled down, your choice of a carry firearm is simply selecting a tool for the job. Sounds like you thought it through.
 
Glocks don't do anything better than any other modern striker fired weapons. They reliably fire a projectile. Better aftermarket support? I guess. But who needs all that crap? A small percentage of Glock owners keep that market alive. Most don't do anything to them. The gun in its stock form is more than suited for its task.

For me, their negatives outweigh the positive. I don't like how you have to pull the trigger to fieldstrip. I don't like the crappy plastic sights. They don't have a manual safety. I don't like how they feel in my hand. A friend of mine at work is a huge Glock fanboy. He drank the Kool-Aid many years ago. He must own 10 Glocks. Literally calls any other weapon "trash". We went shooting a while back. 200 rounds each. I had my SR9, which feels way better to me. No failures out of other gun. My groups were much better. He started in with the "the Navy SEALs just picked the Glock". So what? I'm not a SEAL. And I have no doubt that an M&P or an SR9 in the hands of a SEAL would do just fine. And I am sure that Glock offered the Navy a sweetheart deal, like they do for police departments, which factored in to the decision. Not to mention the Glock is a more common weapon so parts and magazines would be easier to come by in other countries.

Corrosion resistance? Any plastic gun will do the same.
 
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Glocks don't do anything better than any other modern striker fired weapons. They reliably fire a projectile. Better aftermarket support? I guess. But who needs all that crap? A small percentage of Glock owners keep that market alive. Most don't do anything to them. The gun in its stock form is more than suited for its task.

For me, their negatives outweigh the positive. I don't like how you have to pull the trigger to fieldstrip. I don't like the crappy plastic sights. They don't have a manual safety. I don't like how they feel in my hand.

Corrosion resistance? Any plastic gun will do the same.

They aren't supposed to have a manual safety. Most modern striker fired pistols don't have a manual safety, either.

Corrosion resistance applies to the metal parts as well. It's not like these guns are ALL polymer.
 
And in the Glock .vs. 1911 matches, where one shoots 1000 rounds strait with no cleaning, the only guns to make it 100 percent of the time, for all the guns of that type, was the Glock 17!

you mean after the fact that ammo was blamed for the malfunctions?

I own several glocks and they are no better or worse than any other top manufacturer in the reliability department.
 
I'm always amazed at the extent emotion plays into choices of handguns, even in something as "utilitarian" as a CC gun.

IMHO once one gets to a certain quality level it's a pretty even playing field, unless there's special circumstances(like being a lefty). So what's left but personal preference and then the emotional defense of one's choice on-line. ;)
 
Who says they aren't supposed to have safeties? Gaston Glock? Ruger, S&W, and others make polymer striker fired weapons with safeties,'as well as without. Nothing wrong with choices. Something Glock doesn't give.

Glocks are good guns. Their are other plastic guns thst are just as good. They surely are not the "Perfection" that they claim to be
 
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I started shooting 73 years ago but never owned a Glock until last year.

I think I must have let the opinions of some closed minded people influence me about Glocks and just never bothered with them, but now that I own two I wish I had gotten into them long ago.

All my 1911s and Highpowers are now gone and I don't miss them a bit.

Glocks just work for me.
 
you mean after the fact that ammo was blamed for the malfunctions?.

Pardon?

My primary Glock is over 4,000 rounds of completely flawless function in every way. I've only gone about 850 without cleaning or adding lube but that was a cake walk, it still didn't need cleaned.

Who says they aren't supposed to have safeties?

The people who buy and own and shoot and carry them and don't want manual safeties.

If you need manual safeties there are other firearms to choose from.
 
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