Glock-type safety trigger for Norinco Tokarev.....

[Savage30L]

I have a Norinco Tokarev with the frame-mounted safety. While that safety would work easily for a right-handed shooter, I shoot left-handed, and am considering replacing the factory trigger with one of those safety triggers (if I can find one), and removing the frame-mounted safety. Has anyone here tried this? I've found plenty of discussion on the internet about removing a safety-trigger and replacing it with the one of original design, but not the reverse. I'm wondering if it can be done by me (a non-gunsmith).

(I saw a video where Ian McCollum had done this, but he has quite a bit more experience with home gunsmithing than I do.)

 

[.455_Hunter]

Please explain how that safety actually prevents the trigger from being actuated?

 

[JTQ]

...replacing the factory trigger with one of those safety triggers (if I can find one), and removing the frame-mounted safety.

It would seem unlikely there would be that type of trigger for your gun, and the two safety devices serve different functions so there really isn't a point to remove the frame safety even if you installed the trigger safety.

 

[hso]

I'm wondering if it can be done by me

No, and I'm skeptical a gunsmith could.

 

[amd6547]

Some of the recent Tokarev imports have been equipped with a drop in trigger with the Glock style trigger blade safety…to meet import requirements. Easier to drop a trigger in than install a safety switch (often of dubious utility).
Amongst Tokarev aficionados, it is popular to exchange that trigger for an original, bringing it back to standard, no safety, Tokarev spec.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

I have one with the safety installed. However, the safety broke making it very unsafe (hammer would fall a bit randomly). So, I took it out and replaced the offending part with an original one as, at that time, I could not buy the safety unit like what was in it.

So, I would look to see if you can buy said "dongle" trigger (should from the guys who take them out) and then see if you can buy the original part to remove the safety. However, I think I would leave that in as you will still have the hole in the frame, etc from it. Just leave it on fire if you don't like it but make real sure that trigger safety is 100% if you go that path, or take it out entirely.

 

[Nodakdad]

Like others have said. If you want one of them Glock type trigger a lot of the recently imported Type 54 and M57 are coming in with them installed over a add on frame safety. Both suck in my opinion. I would guess if you have a non-modified trigger someone would trade you up for a chopped up one. I would leave it in and leave the frame mounted one alone. They really aren't very safe, many times they don t work right. All the trigger assemblies are interchangeable with TT33, Type 54, M57 and all the other countries who made them.

 

[481]

Some of the recent Tokarev imports have been equipped with a drop in trigger with the Glock style trigger blade safety…to meet import requirements. Easier to drop a trigger in than install a safety switch (often of dubious utility).
Amongst Tokarev aficionados, it is popular to exchange that trigger for an original, bringing it back to standard, no safety, Tokarev spec.

The replacement of the trigger with an original trigger is easily accomplished and takes all of 5 minutes. Original Tok triggers can be found online for $12 - $15. Definitely worth the minor expense.

 

[Jim Watson]

Right, the best part of the trigger safeties is being able to get to Iron Curtain Carry Mode without leaving holes in the gun.

What IS Iron Curtain Carry Mode? Condition 2 like seances with John Browning say? Condition 3 like the Army says? As Henry Stebbins said of the TT's lack of a manual safety, "Life is cheap in the Soviet Union."

 

[Savage30L]

I shot the pistol yesterday...the sights are well-regulated, and there were no misfires or failures to feed. I think I'll just ignore the thumb safety.....

 

[halfmoonclip]

Pretty certain the Ivans carried them chamber empty, and Commissar Kruschev only cranked one in the chamber when he was about to shoot a coward or dissident.
Toks are nifty, but not really useful for anything here in the West, unless you're willing to carry Condition 3. Some buddies and I got them after watching Enemy at the Gates.
Does anyone know of a way to blank off the aftermarket safety lever?
Moon

 

[drobs]

I had a Norinco 9mm Tok that I converted back to 7.62x25 with a barrel, barrel bushing, and magazine swap. The previous owner had removed the the frame mounted thumb safety. A friend talked me out of it, years ago.

 

[Jim Watson]

Toks are nifty, but not really useful for anything here in the West, unless you're willing to carry Condition 3.

A friend depends on Iron Curtain pistols, Tokarev and Makarov, largely because he doesn’t want his Colt or Ruger to be seized as evidence should he have occasion to shoot a punk.

 

[halfmoonclip]

Need to dig mine out, and have a longer look at just how they installed that 3d World safety; my Tok is Chinese, if memory serves. May need to take it to our Sunday night shoot.
Moon

 

[Mizar]

What IS Iron Curtain Carry Mode? Condition 2 like seances with John Browning say? Condition 3 like the Army says? As Henry Stebbins said of the TT's lack of a manual safety, "Life is cheap in the Soviet Union."

The Army manual for shooting the model 1933 pistol dictates that it should be carried in condition 3 and loaded only when "the need arises". If loaded it should be carried in condition 2, but with the hammer resting on the half cock notch (russians call it a "safety notch"), which also locks the slide.

The Glock-type trigger safety is just a drop safety and I find very little reasoning behind putting it on a SA hammer fired pistol, except for reaching import requirements. The Tokarev pistol is meant to be carried with the the hammer resting on the half cock notch if loaded (firing pin is of the direct type, non-inertial) and I strongly advise anyone to do so, even with the aftermarket safeties you get on the US imported guns - they are just not good enough, simply disconnecting the trigger bar from the sear.

 

[drobs]

The Army manual for shooting the model 1933 pistol dictates that it should be carried in condition 3 and loaded only when "the need arises". If loaded it should be carried in condition 2, but with the hammer resting on the half cock notch (russians call it a "safety notch"), which also locks the slide.

The Glock-type trigger safety is just a drop safety and I find very little reasoning behind putting it on a SA hammer fired pistol, except for reaching import requirements. The Tokarev pistol is meant to be carried with the the hammer resting on the half cock notch if loaded (firing pin is of the direct type, non-inertial) and I strongly advise anyone to do so, even with the aftermarket safeties you get on the US imported guns - they are just not good enough, simply disconnecting the trigger bar from the sear.

The absolutely safest way to carry a Tokarev is condition 3 - loaded mag, empty chamber.

While these pistols are still being made, they are a historical - Curio & Relic design. Much like Single Action Army Colt revolver clones are still being made. Those are also carried with an empty chamber under the hammer. The cost or value of human life was low when both the Colt SAA and Tokarev were designed.

But but but - what if you were dropped into Ukraine and handed a Tokarev? In that situation you are welcome to carry it in condition 2. Here in the USA you should be carrying a modern handgun that gives you every single advantage in a defensive situation.

Tokarevs are neat pistols. If there was a source of cheap 7.62x25 and I could have a 1000rds or more, I would gladly collect 1 or 2 Tokarevs from each country that made them. They are also fun to shoot. I like that we can still buy basically brand new ones. The 9mm ones are fun too. But are the every day carry handguns? No.

 

[Mizar]

I'm simply explaining what is the safest way to carry a loaded TT 33 if one so desires - there's no need for a lecture on gun safety. I strongly advise anyone to do so if he wants to carry a loaded Tokarev. We have an old saying in my country - "That thing between your ears - use it!" - one must educate himself about the safety devices on his firearm and what they can and can't do...

 

[drobs]

I'm simply explaining what is the safest way to carry a loaded TT 33 if one so desires - there's no need for a lecture on gun safety. I strongly advise anyone to do so if he wants to carry a loaded Tokarev. We have an old saying in my country - "That thing between your ears - use it!" - one must educate himself about the safety devices on his firearm and what they can and can't do...

Are you familiar with Murphy's Law or Chaos Theory?

"Murphy's Law says that if anything can go wrong, it will. Chaos Theory says some things will always go wrong eventually."

Here in the USA we do our best to prevent Murphy from biting us in the butt and that's why we have things like gun safety, firearms training, and best practices. We have these things to prevent accidents and fatal injuries because we value human life.

In regards to "That thing between your ears - use it." I agree but also don't take unnecessary risks when you don't have to.

So let me be more clear - carrying a loaded and chambered Tokarev with the hammer on 1/2 cock or the safety notch, while it is a historical method of carry, it is not a safe method of carry.

 

[amd6547]

I have occasionally carried a 7.62 Tokarev IWB in condition 2, and felt safe doing so.
One thing about the Tokarev… The combination of its short grip and overall thin profile makes it very IWB friendly.

 

[Jim Watson]

Just remember, the Tokarev was under consideration to up-gun James Bond from a .25 but they ended up giving him a .32. They also gave him a .38 but that did not get the publicity.

 

[Savage30L]

I have that pile of Tokarev ammo...non-corrosive...Chinese, but it works just fine.......probably more than I'll ever shoot, unless I just want to burn up a bunch of ammo.

 

[hso]

This started as a "can a stick a Glock type "safety trigger" in a Tok. The question has been answered and the wandering has taken over.