GOA Accomplishments?

[siglite]

Come to think of it, Robert made the whole legislated CCW training monopoly in WV the center of discussion here in a failed attempt to assassinate my character, by implying that I compromise.

He's really gone the long way 'round to try to shoot me down.

I mean... 'round the freakin' world.

 

[siglite]

Just remember always that it was the Legislature of West Virginia that did that, not NRA. For NRA to do that would be a violation of Federal Election laws and a serious crime.

Man, I wish I could talk about some things I can't talk about. Especially with regard to federal election laws and politics in WV. But I can't. Regardless, I don't buy for a minute that the NRA had NOTHING to do with that language being in the law.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Regardless, I don't buy for a minute that the NRA had NOTHING to do with that language being in the law.

NRA and NRA ILA are not the same thing. If you saw an NRA employee lobbying a politician there's serious crime being committed. I just don't believe that you have first hand knowledge of that.

That's the kind of thing that would get NRA shut down and they are smarter than that.

Now, the fact is it's a thin line of paperwork between ILA and NRA certainly, but that line still exists.

And I don't doubt that NRA had some involvement too, but I think it was due to laziness of your Legislature.

Again, the "problem" you are describing exists only in West Virginia, and I just can't believe there is that much money for the NRA in West Virginia.

Texas Legislators LOVE the ILA, they LOVE to take their money. Here in Texas I can't use an NRA certified course as training proof for my concealed license. Why didn't NRA get that done? Heck I'd be HAPPY to have the option of taking an NRA class for my Texas CHL. I know lots of NRA instructors, it would be much easier. As it is I have to find a state certified instructor. If the NRA/ILA was that good I'd expect to at least see some of this happening somewhere else.

 

[siglite]

Oh, when I'm speaking of the NRA, I mean the NRA-ILA too. I am aware of the chinese wall which theoretically should exist (and I'm sure does).

ETA:

Again, the "problem" you are describing exists only in West Virginia, and I just can't believe there is that much money for the NRA in West Virginia.

I don't know. Tourism revenues from hunting are a massive money maker in this state. You can't throw a rock without hitting someone who thinks the 2nd amendment's about deer hunting. Deer season is HUGE here. Massive. Tourism's one of the most powerful wings of the state government. And tourism is very interested in hunting revenues. And a lot of those hunters are NRA members. Every other car here has a big white outline of a deer, or an NRA sticker, or a Ducks Unlimited sticker, or a wild turkey foundation sticker... I mean, yeah, there's a huge market here for the NRA.

 

[Nitrogen]

You know, I'd also like to know what the GOA has accomplished. It might affect wether I renew or not. So far, my $$$ is going to the TSRA primarily, and the NRA/NRA-ILA secondarily.

 

[BobbyQuickdraw]

I support all organizations who help to keep my RTKBA and sometimes wish the NRA was more hard line. The GOA is fine by me. So is the NRA.

 

[guil2000]

SigLite:

Instructor yearly renewal is $5.00, or you can renew for three years at reduced cost. This is only to pay for processing the paperwork, so there is hardly a profit to be made here.

The various NRA training courses existed for over a hundred years prior to to the advent of CCW programs. This was not something instituted as an after-the-fact scheme to make money. Just about all training (LEO, etc.) is based on these programs, and this experience is why NRA is often cited as an approved source. As I mentioned earlier, I have never heard of your particular problem before now in WV or anywhere else, but I have not doubted your word. I am sure, however, that with a million or so licenses issued nationwide, if this was a scheme by NRA to make money we would have heard much screaming before now.

For TXR, many states have the same state certification requirement. What this normally means is that the state accepts your NRA credentials as proof of instructor training, but must also approve your course content so as to ensure the particular state laws are adequately covered.

And for Robert Hairless and SigLite, could we cut down on bashing each other so that we may get an answer to the original question.

 

[RealGun]

Tell me of one bill passed through GOA's efforts or one law repealed through GOA's efforts- Guil2000

It is my understanding that neither of those are a particular focus of GOA. I see them spending most effort on stopping legislation, not passing it. As far as repeal, let's take that off the table, because NRA has no successes there either.

 

[Robert Hairless]

guil2000:

And for Robert Hairless and SigLite, could we cut down on bashing each other so that we may get an answer to the original question.

Sorry you thought that's what I was doing, Guil2000. I thought I was providing information that contradicted Siglite's assertions.

I'm happy to ask everyone to ignore my messages in this thread, and if you would like I'll revise every one of them to remove its content. Say the word and it shall be done. I'm easy.

 

[guil2000]

RealGun Quote:

It is my understanding that neither of those are a particular focus of GOA. I see them spending most effort on stopping legislation, not passing it. As far as repeal, let's take that off the table, because NRA has no successes there either.

Now we're getting some place. But the GOA web site says they do fight to get some laws passed and others repealed.

So you are saying that GOA has no record of getting any legislation passed or repealed. Then what legislation have they stopped? They have tried to stop, among others, the Junk Lawsuit ban and various CCW laws, thankfully without success, because they were not "pure" enough for them.

And by repealed, I also count modifications to existing laws that drop various restrictions. As an example, many states have had CCW restrictions reduced over the years from NRA efforts due to "repeal" of certain restrictions that had been on the books.

Now I have answered every one of your questions, yet mine has gone unanswered (and I asked first). Please quit avoiding the subject and tell me something positive that GOA has actually accomplished.

 

[RealGun]

So you are saying that GOA has no record of getting any legislation passed or repealed.

I didn't say that. Do you want me to?

Then what legislation have they stopped?

I am not taking the bait. What legislation has NRA stopped? No answer is good enough. What's your point?

They have tried to stop, among others, the Junk Lawsuit ban and various CCW laws, thankfully without success, because they were not "pure" enough for them.

And I was right there with them...no apologies. It was the amendments that were usually the problem, otherwise significant and unnecessary compromises. I have no desire to go back through the merits of each bill. Those threads are already in the archives here. I was one of the most vocal proponents of stopping the trigger locks amendment. I don't recall many here agreeing with me (or GOA) but I haven't changed my mind. I don't need to read the ad hominems all over again. Time will tell who's right.

One very good reason not to propose or support legislation is that it is a magnet for amendments and then compromises. It is enough work just trying to stop the stuff that does get proposed.

I wouldn't try to compare GOA and NRA efforts at the State level, because GOA's legislative focus and primary resource allocation is in DC. State level is more on the political side, trying to influence what happens in Washington, now or in the future.

Just as an aside, I don't want to hear organizations and senators talking about my "right to hunt". I want to hear about my right to defend myself, as in shoot somebody when necessary. There is a profound difference. This recent thing with Coburn really highlighted that, because he wound up talking about veteran's right to hunt.

 

[guil2000]

RealGun, yes, I want you to tell me what they have accomplished, or to say that they have accomplished nothing of note.

And I am not baiting you. I asked a simple question and this has now gone on for seven pages without an answer. Why can you or somebody else not answer it? You and others seem to jump on the NRA all the time, yet get so upset when someone asks a simple question of GOA. Why is this so? The NRA and other posters do not attack GOA, yet we see weekly threads here trying to attack the NRA. Even when someone asks a simple question about the NRA, we have NRA bashers jump in and attempt to hijack the thread. Why not just keep quite about it? Go to the NRA web site and you will not find one thing attacking GOA, but half the GOA web site is devoted to bashing the NRA.

Why is this so? Why is it so difficult to give me one concrete example of something positive that GOA has been able to accomplish? And why must you and a few others resort to NRA bashing when asked a simple question?

I am sure that there are many others here waiting for an answer besides me.

 

[swifteagle]

I too call on GOA to stop the NRA bashing. I was once a member of GOA but did not renew due to their constant attacks against the NRA, when I did not renew I notified GOA of exactly why, but they still continue with the NRA bashing so my notification fell on deaf ears. If someday they will change their focus I will gladly re-join and be members of both the NRA & GOA. It is silly of GOA to think that they can only gain members by getting them to leave the NRA. For every member they gain by getting someone to leave the NRA they probably loose two or three like myself who had previously been happy to be members of both organizations.

Their negative campaign will not pay off in the end, and if they don't change their tactics they will forever be doomed to be the unknown member of the gun lobby.

I do love their Rosie shirt though. That is at least one thing they did manage to get right.

 

[Brad Johnson]

You know, I'd also like to know what the GOA has accomplished.

It has successfully divided gun owners into infighting factions more concerned with being right than being effective.

There, OP's question answered with this very thread being both point and proof.

Brad