You guys must have some very stupid LEO's. Here in Florida they are trained in the actions to take. Most LEO's know that if you have a permit you have never been a BG and that people with a permit commit far less crime than people without. The last time I was stopped I informed the officer that I had CCW's permit and I was armed. His reply, Thanks. He did whatever with my DL and insurance card, returned to my car and said slow it down, handed me my DL and insurance card and said to have a good night.
Got Pulled Over Last Night
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I got pulled over myself about a week ago. First time I'd been pulled over since I got my CPL. I told the officer I had a CPL and was carrying, and he asked where the gun was, so I told him. He seemed more concerned about my speeding than my gun, as he proceeded to read me the riot act (and no, I don't blame him at all for that; I WAS speeding) for speeding and never made another mention of the gun.
You would be rather stupid if you did not carry in Palm Beach County. Most Pizza joints won't deliver to Riviera Beach and I dont't blame them....
you do exactly what they tell you do do.. I was told to drop the mag with the gun flat in my hand and grab the gun with two fingers by the muzzle and hand it to him... of course.. this means pointing a loaded gun toward myself.. better than having a gun pulled on my like a friend of mine...
i have asked local and state LEO (all friends of mine) what is the best way to handle this if it ever happens and most told me wait till i am asked if there anything I(being the LEO) should know about and thay will to tell them but the odd ball told me it gives him a good reason to shoot me. (guess i shouldnt have dated his daughter) but him and i both know he was kidding. as i said all the LEO were friends..
That's my point, unless I'm specifically asked if I have a weapon the Officer DOESN'T need to know
Thanks for the complement Johnny, I love listening to old Johnny Dollar episodes on the radio, that and watching old John Wayne movies. Especially Rio Bravo, Rio Lobo & El Dorado
Stopped by Police and carrying a firearm...
Earlier this year I was traveling through the Great Smoky Mountains National Park and was stopped by a Ranger. They're Federal officers and I had just passed another vehicle in a no passing zone. It was late at night and very dark out and once I passed the vehicle I noticed another vehicle directly behind me also pass. Granted it was a solid double line and I shouldn't have passed but it was safe to do so and the guy I passed was stop & go never exceeding 25 miles per hour. At that rate it would have taken an hour to get the few miles I was traveling. But this vehicle was right up on my bumper when I passed and I immediately thought to myself he's a cop.
Well he rode my bumper for a mile or two and as he came closer I picked up speed no longer sure he was an offocer.
Suddenly the blues cam on and the surge of heat ran through me!
He was a really nice officer and asked if I had any guns in the car. I said yes he asked if I had a permit. Of course I did and he asked to see it and my license.
Long story short he never asked about my gun and after giving me a ticket for illegal passing allowed me to go. A month or two earlier and it would have been a Federal offense to have a firearm in a National Park. I guess if he had asked back in 2008 if I had a gun I might have lied and said no.
Earlier this year I was traveling through the Great Smoky Mountains National Park and was stopped by a Ranger. They're Federal officers and I had just passed another vehicle in a no passing zone. It was late at night and very dark out and once I passed the vehicle I noticed another vehicle directly behind me also pass. Granted it was a solid double line and I shouldn't have passed but it was safe to do so and the guy I passed was stop & go never exceeding 25 miles per hour. At that rate it would have taken an hour to get the few miles I was traveling. But this vehicle was right up on my bumper when I passed and I immediately thought to myself he's a cop.
Well he rode my bumper for a mile or two and as he came closer I picked up speed no longer sure he was an offocer.
Suddenly the blues cam on and the surge of heat ran through me!
He was a really nice officer and asked if I had any guns in the car. I said yes he asked if I had a permit. Of course I did and he asked to see it and my license.
Long story short he never asked about my gun and after giving me a ticket for illegal passing allowed me to go. A month or two earlier and it would have been a Federal offense to have a firearm in a National Park. I guess if he had asked back in 2008 if I had a gun I might have lied and said no.
Only a fool would ask to handle a hot weapon... So many things could go wrong: drop a person's custom 1911; negligent discharge, etc. I don't see the rationale nor would I EVER ask to see a motorist's firearm...
I agree with the arguments for not handling the weapon but do we absolutely NEED to toss around words like "stupid" and "fool"?
As a former State Trooper I must say that I get a bit annoyed when I read some of these posts. Should some officers have a better grasp on the law? You better believe it but I speak from first hand knowledge that a bad officer in a good department will not last long. Do some officers let their "power" go to their head? You bet. But El Paso County has a great Sheriff and a good department. I get amused by all the arm chair quarter backs out there who think they know how to do the job better yet sit in their cube and push paper all day. I know the stress and fear that comes with that job. So unless you have been there please keep the "idiot" and cop bashing to yourself. I am not saying cops are perfect, far from it. But neither are you. And if you are that good then open up a training academy and train all the terrible stupid cops to be better.
McCrae,
I'm with you.
Laws, there are so many of them, as citizens we should be as aware of the laws at least as well as the police. Since we are not, and for an example I offer up all the pages of debate on what to do, when to do it, and weather it is legal or not that fill these pages. How can we expect every law officer to do the same.
They may not know all the laws and the intricacies of those laws, but neither do we. Further, even if you are an expert on the law, a jury may very well disagree with you.
My point is this. The police are there to protect and defend, and for the most part they accept this challenge because they truly believe in our system of laws and because they truly want to protect the innocent.
If a cop tells me to do something I will do it.
I, under no circumstance want to make an officer uncomfortable with anything I do, their lives are at stake everyday while ours are not, and they deserve some respect for this, even if and when they are not correct in their understanding of the law. That knowledge will come to them as they age in their jobs.
I would think that everyone that contributes to these forums would have a high level of respect to those who offer up their lives everyday for our protection a little more respect, right or wrong they do the best that they can. Some may have ego problems, but they still are the law and in the end the truth will out.
I'm with you.
Laws, there are so many of them, as citizens we should be as aware of the laws at least as well as the police. Since we are not, and for an example I offer up all the pages of debate on what to do, when to do it, and weather it is legal or not that fill these pages. How can we expect every law officer to do the same.
They may not know all the laws and the intricacies of those laws, but neither do we. Further, even if you are an expert on the law, a jury may very well disagree with you.
My point is this. The police are there to protect and defend, and for the most part they accept this challenge because they truly believe in our system of laws and because they truly want to protect the innocent.
If a cop tells me to do something I will do it.
I, under no circumstance want to make an officer uncomfortable with anything I do, their lives are at stake everyday while ours are not, and they deserve some respect for this, even if and when they are not correct in their understanding of the law. That knowledge will come to them as they age in their jobs.
I would think that everyone that contributes to these forums would have a high level of respect to those who offer up their lives everyday for our protection a little more respect, right or wrong they do the best that they can. Some may have ego problems, but they still are the law and in the end the truth will out.
Who is ,unfortunately, about to fall victim to term limits. I personally, will vote for him in whatever office he chooses to pursue next.
No, actually they're not. Police rarley stop actual crimes in progress (arguably they DO stop potential crimes by arresting offenders) I am responsible for protecting myself and calling the police to take a report afterwards
With the difference being that MY not knowing the laws is only likely to have a negative effect on ME. As opposed to everyone an Officer comes in contact with
So will I but, you may rest assured that if it's the slightest bit out of line I will not hesitate to have the action reviewed by my attorney and all appropriate legal measures taken
I wonder if you'll still take this position when YOUR ear is full of gun barrel.
About a year after I got my CPL, I was pulled over by a stater and I handed him my two licenses together. He looked them over, and said, Are you carrying now?" I said "Yes" and he asked me to give him my gun, as he would need to call in and make sure it hadn't been used in a crime.
I said, "Okay, but I want to unload it first. I feel really uncomfortable handing a loaded gun to anybody." He told me I could, but do it very slowly. I dropped the rounds in my console and gave him the gun, and worried about it until he came back. He gave me a verbal warning and returned my gun and I drove off.
Years later my buddy Jim became a county deputy, and I asked him about it. He said, "Why did you even show him your CPL in the first place?" Well, out of courtesy, I guess. He rolled his eyes and said, "Stupid civilians. He doesn't see that as a courtesy - he sees it as another weird thing he needs to be careful of, and he's already got a million things rolling through his head. Don't do that anymore." So I haven't done it since...
Parker
I said, "Okay, but I want to unload it first. I feel really uncomfortable handing a loaded gun to anybody." He told me I could, but do it very slowly. I dropped the rounds in my console and gave him the gun, and worried about it until he came back. He gave me a verbal warning and returned my gun and I drove off.
Years later my buddy Jim became a county deputy, and I asked him about it. He said, "Why did you even show him your CPL in the first place?" Well, out of courtesy, I guess. He rolled his eyes and said, "Stupid civilians. He doesn't see that as a courtesy - he sees it as another weird thing he needs to be careful of, and he's already got a million things rolling through his head. Don't do that anymore." So I haven't done it since...
Parker
Returning from a Cup race at TMS in Fote Wuth, I was stopped for speeding in a small town, East Texas speed trap. It was, by the letter of the law, legal, but a speed trap nonetheless.
I gave the officer my license, he ran it through the computer, and asked me if I had a firearm in the car.
DUH!!
TMS doesn't allow firearms at the track so I'd stashed it in the proverbial map pocket of the door instead of carrying it.
My bad.
When I told him I did, he reminded me that I was supposed to show an officer my CHL along with my license. I told him where it was, but he didn't ask to see it.
I politely admitted I had erred, then dropped the name of the local banker whom I knew.
Let me go with a warning and a good lesson I will not forget again.
In fact, when my band plays in a nightclub or business that qualifies with the 51% alcohol law, I always meet the owner or manager, show them my CHL, tell them I'll abide by whatever they decide and leave it in the car or have it available if they need backup.
Only one club owner has told me to leave it in the car.
Risky? Yes, the could deny giving me permission later. It's a risk I weigh every time.
I gave the officer my license, he ran it through the computer, and asked me if I had a firearm in the car.
DUH!!
TMS doesn't allow firearms at the track so I'd stashed it in the proverbial map pocket of the door instead of carrying it.
My bad.
When I told him I did, he reminded me that I was supposed to show an officer my CHL along with my license. I told him where it was, but he didn't ask to see it.
I politely admitted I had erred, then dropped the name of the local banker whom I knew.
Let me go with a warning and a good lesson I will not forget again.
In fact, when my band plays in a nightclub or business that qualifies with the 51% alcohol law, I always meet the owner or manager, show them my CHL, tell them I'll abide by whatever they decide and leave it in the car or have it available if they need backup.
Only one club owner has told me to leave it in the car.
Risky? Yes, the could deny giving me permission later. It's a risk I weigh every time.
I find this incredibly offensive. how did he propose to find out if the firearm had been used in a crime?
Would you have been ok with him checking your cell phone or other personal items as well?
Smart man
So now I must ask you, Gus McCrae, as a former trooper, what was the consensus with your department on what you would prefer? Yes, by law, I don't have to inform, but as I stated earlier, I have no problem doing so to keep things safe. Someone stated earlier that this was "stupid" as it adds another thing to be careful about.
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