Got pulled over; Officer took my sidearm.

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Ok. Thanks. That is pretty specific, and I notice that it DOESN'T suggest that the officer should, or could, run the numbers, clear the weapon, or place the weapon in some inaccessible location like the trunk.

Why the question about the trunk and serial number?
Because those are the things that happened to the original poster. Did you read his story? Those were offenses more egregious than the simple disarm.
 
Thats always bothered me, its bad enough people have to jump through hoops to excercise whats supposed to be a right but then get treated like a criminal anyway. Here they'd have unloaded the mag too

I always here for their safety as the excuse, but if they cant assume were good guys because we have permits why should I assume they are good guys because they have badges?
 
You mean there has never been a CCW holder that's been a bad guy..??

So that makes it OK for LE to assume that ALL of us are criminals?

Sorry, that's not how it works.

I am going to guess, without doing any research, that more cops are killed every year by people with a drivers license than with a concealed permit.

If it's about officer safety then why are not officers taking us out of our cars and removing the keys during traffic stops?

Still gonna try to sell this crap as "officer safety" ?
 
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brboyer,

+1 on your post overall. Just because they are nice when they take advantage of your rights, does not make it ok with me.

I also find it way too common these days that police often discount what they are told by citizens as lies. I was pulled over a couple months ago for speeding, and when he asked me why, I told him a woman was following me very closely in a big 4x4 and I was trying to get some distance between us. What I told him was the truth and when I told him he instantly acted like I was lying, and was just making up the story. Sad and far too common, its attitudes like these that make officers disarm perfectly law abiding citizens. IMHO we often get treated like criminals first and legal citizens second.

FWIW my father was a State Policeman for 30 some years, so I am all for the officers safety. But for some reason CHL permit holders are often seen as a threat, and I dont beleive that the general attitude twards legal citizens is the way it should be.
 
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He didnt confiscate it or write you a ticket.

Exactly, cops are paranoid now days, he was just taking the necessary procedures to secure his safety. What if he did write you a ticket and you got angry and tried to shoot him? That didn't happen, but cops are always running different scenarios in their head once they have pulled over someone. All of my encounters, after I show my license, their demeanor changes and they seem more cautious until everything checks out.

One recent story, I stopped off to get a pack of cigarettes and a coke, the weather was windy, rainy, and cold. I had on a jacket with a shoulder holster and my Beretta 92FS. When I opened the door the wind blew enough where my jacket opened a bit. Two officers were getting coffee, one noticed and their demeanor changed ( as expected). When I went to the back to get my coke they surrounded me, both coming down seperate aisles. I seen it coming a mile away and had already knew what was going to happen next. "You have a permit for your weapon sir?" "Yes I do." "Put your hands up and tell my partner where you wallet is at." "My front left pocket" As I held my hands up, the partner approached me and took out my wallet. He used his shoulder radio to call it in I guess along with checking to see if I had warrants. I stood their for about 10 minutes, "This is just procedure sir, once everything checks out you can carry on." Once everything came back fine, I was told I could put my hands down and the partner gave me back my wallet.

Now that everything was fine, they asked my about what I was carrying with a smile and I told them a Beretta 92fs and that it is my cold weather carry. The partner told me he used to carry one before they were issued Glocks, once the threat level was zero again and they saw I was a law abiding citizen they were fine.
 
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As another posted said, Virginia does not need to inform. However I always give them my permit with my DL anyway. I've been stopped twice and with the first stop one LEO said "Ok, I don't need that" meaning my permit. The other stop the LEO asked where the pistol was. I pointed to a soft case in the passenger seat. He said "As long as it stays there, we're okay." :rolleyes: That pissed me off. What did he think I would do, take it out and fire into the air?? C'mon.

As far as the OP's post, I feel it went a little too far, but every LEO is different. My friend who is a LEO, does NOT like any private citizen to have a permit/concealed weapon.

I'm still working on him.....:scrutiny:
 
Exactly, cops are paranoid now days,
And that excuses this?

Paranoia is irrational, by definition, and is considered a personality disorder or delusion. So now we have irrational, delusional officers violating the civil rights of legally armed citizens? Yaaaaaay.

he was just taking the necessary procedures to secure his safety.
Ok. Making sure to have read through this thread, explain the logic of how this secures his safety. Again, read through the last few pages of the thread thoroughly so we don't have to go over too much already-covered ground.

Thanks!
 
Having been a cop, I don't understand why this one felt the need to disarm you.

Further, the M&P typically has no thumb safety, so if he's reaching awkwardly across the seat to access your gun, what's to say that:

1) In the process of pulling it towards him, he points it towards you. :eek:

2) In that same process, he accidentally gets his finger on the trigger and....BANG! I'd say a life-long colostomy bag is a high price to pay for a paranoid cop's TOTALLY UNNECESSARY actions.

Crooks don't get concealed carry licenses. Cops know this !!!
 
Its officers like this that make me nervous, why would you want everyone to be disarmed??

He feels that the people are not properly trained enough to carry. Also it bothers him that he does not know who is carrying. (in a crowd of people for example)
 
Because those are the things that happened to the original poster. Did you read his story? Those were offenses more egregious than the simple disarm.

Ohh, I see.
I didn't notice the trunk part.
Following the letter of the law would be fine, because that's what voting is for.

However, the moment he started digging in my trunk, my lawyer's phone would've started ringing.
 
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dom1104 said:
You know, when I read "Got pulled over, officer took my sidearm" I expected something a little better than "Then he gave it back".

so....... what?

I was thinking the same thing...

And now that you've both (presumably) read through the thread and have a better grasp of all the issues involved, how has your inital expectation changed?
 
I just re-read the whole thread and I am still not clear about how/why the trunk was open.

Did I miss something?
 
You mean there has never been a CCW holder that's been a bad guy..??
Yes, there have. There have been cops who were bad guys too. You may have seen some of them on the news, savagely beating some students in Maryland in the past couple of days.

That criminal act by police doesn't justify me breaking the law. Why does somebody else's criminal act, CCW holder or not, justify the LEO breaking the law by violating your rights during a traffic stop?

"Officer safety" is NOT the rootkit for the Bill of Rights.

Any officer who feels that he cannot both obey the law and "go home safely" is completely justified in finding another career and I strongly advise him to do so.
 
That makes me wonder if it is a ploy the police will use to look in your trunk and/or enter your vehicle. If you consent to let them then if they find anything you are history.

Maybe I will put away my tinfoil hat....
 
I just re-read the whole thread and I am still not clear about how/why the trunk was open.

Did I miss something?

The OP stated (either here or over at PAFOA - I'm not rereading this to find out which :)) that when he unlocked his door it also unlocked the trunk.
 
Unlocked maybe, but opened?

That hasn't been addressed. I'm assuming the Trooper opened it since the OP never stated getting out of his car until he went to reholster. But I'm speculating.
 
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That criminal act by police doesn't justify me breaking the law. Why does somebody else's criminal act, CCW holder or not, justify the LEO breaking the law by violating your rights during a traffic stop?

"Officer safety" is NOT the rootkit for the Bill of Rights.

Any officer who feels that he cannot both obey the law and "go home safely" is completely justified in finding another career and I strongly advise him to do so.

Exactly
 
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