Grab and go gun

[Trunk Monkey]

The simplest way to say what I'm trying to say is that there is no circumstance in which I'm willing to bet my life on a sub par gun.

It's been my direct experience that tweakers almost alway hunt in packs. I'm not willing to face that with a 6 shot .380.

It's also been my direct experience that it really can happen right outside your front door and while you're walking your dog or checking your mail. Every time I walk out the front door of my building I think about it. So "I probably won't need it anyway" is never a part of my decision making process.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

So my take-away from this thread is that, for the most part, a large portion of our membership here still favors the concept of a small, light, low-capacity handgun as a "grab'n'go" gun that they have confidence in being able use to place multiple rounds on target rapidly even under stressful conditions, whether for that quick trip to the mailbox, convenience store or while walking Spot or Rover down the road.

Multiple?

 

[Old Dog]

You know, I asked a question some 47 posts ago, and gosh darn it, no one provided an answer (well, except for TM pointing out Chuck Norris and we all know one roundhouse kick equals 17 rounds plus one in the pipe and two spare mags).

But to follow up on your comment in post #75, has anyone ever known someone who, subsequent to having actually had to draw, display or use a handgun in a real-life situation, then thereafter begin to carry smaller, lighter handguns with less capacity?

 

[jar]

Multiple?

Yup.

 

[Pudge]

You know, I asked a question some 47 posts ago, and gosh darn it, no one provided an answer (well, except for TM pointing out Chuck Norris and we all know one roundhouse kick equals 17 rounds plus one in the pipe and two spare mags).

What's a real life use? Running off a bear? Dealing with a rattlesnake? Because if they count, then the answer to your question is yes.

I do not encounter other people when walking my dogs. I don't even take a leash. I have encountered very small bear cubs while walking, which I consider a very dangerous situation. I've run bears off from my bees and my chickens (not nearly as dangerous). And I've relocated several timber rattles from my front yard and driveway. I'm not going to say that there is zero chance of running into a pack of tweakers while walking my dogs, but it is about the same concern for me now as running into a bear was when I lived in a city. Acknowledging that it is not strictly impossible, should I prepare for the tweakers? Should trunk monkey load up for bear to get his mail?

 

[bdickens]

I don't take it that way.

Rather, it seems that many people believe, for some reason, that if the likelihood of needing a gun is reduced, the effectiveness that will be required should the need arise will somehow be lower.

Yep. That's exactly why if I'm going to carry a gun, I just go ahead and carry a gun.

If something bad happens, it's gonna be just as bad in your front yard as it will be in a back alley downtown and you could end up just as dead.

 

[Old Dog]

@Pudge Real life would be a lethal force encounter with subjects of the 2-legged, possibly armed or otherwise dangerous variety.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

What's a real life use? Running off a bear? Dealing with a rattlesnake? Because if they count, then the answer to your question is yes.

I do not encounter other people when walking my dogs. I don't even take a leash. I have encountered very small bear cubs while walking, which I consider a very dangerous situation. I've run bears off from my bees and my chickens (not nearly as dangerous). And I've relocated several timber rattles from my front yard and driveway. I'm not going to say that there is zero chance of running into a pack of tweakers while walking my dogs, but it is about the same concern for me now as running into a bear was when I lived in a city. Acknowledging that it is not strictly impossible, should I prepare for the tweakers? Should trunk monkey load up for bear to get his mail?

FWIW Trunk Monkey lives in Colorado. Trunk Monkey has encountered mountain lions in his backyard. So, there is a non zero chance that Trunk Monkey really could run into a bear while going to check his mail.

Having said that I would think that anything that you would deem adequate for a potential bear run in would work on a tweaker.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I work nights, I am a day sleeper. My wife just got home from the grocery store and there were some groceries for me to bring upstairs.

So I get out of bed I put on my sweats and I went downstairs to get the groceries out of the car and you may rest assured that there was a Glock 26 in my pocket when I did.

ETA I was wearing a jacket over the sweats. I didn't stick a Glock 26 in the pocket of my sweat pants and of course it was in a pocket holster

 

[AK103K]

Yep. That's exactly why if I'm going to carry a gun, I just go ahead and carry a gun.

If something bad happens, it's gonna be just as bad in your front yard as it will be in a back alley downtown and you could end up just as dead.

Thats just it, they havent come up with that crystal ball yet, that can tell you just what you need and when you need it.

So you have to make a choice. Either go with what you shoot best with and have the best chance with, in as broad a set of things that could possibly come up, all the time, or compromise, go with something, or nothing, or whatever, and hope for the best.

No matter what you do, youre still hoping for the best. What you do in your choices and your practices, will give you the best chances of reducing the "hope" part.

 

[mrmike7189]

S&W M&P BG380

 

[BSA1]

I work nights, I am a day sleeper. My wife just got home from the grocery store and there were some groceries for me to bring upstairs.

So I get out of bed I put on my sweats and I went downstairs to get the groceries out of the car and you may rest assured that there was a Glock 26 in my pocket when I did.

What is your wife armed with?

 

[94045]

You never know how much you are going to need. Statistically (given most studies I've seen) usually 2 rounds are going to be enough. However I'm sure situations have occurred in which a XM556 Microgun and 10,000 rounds would have been insufficient.
You have to decide what reasonable preparedness is. But despite all the people that say anything short of a 16-Round 9mm is insufficient I still believe a 5-Round J-Frame beats a hope and a prayer any day of the week.

In many cases people are going to carry an LCP are they are not going to carry and despite the hyperbole to the contrary I don't believe your better off unarmed than with a single stack micro .380.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

In many cases people are going to carry an LCP are they are not going to carry and despite the hyperbole to the contrary I don't believe your better off unarmed than with a single stack micro .380.

I think only a fool would think you were better off with nothing but I would not consider myself to be adequately armed with a .380

 

[94045]

So my take-away from this thread is that, for the most part, a large portion of our membership here still favors the concept of a small, light, low-capacity handgun as a "grab'n'go" gun that they have confidence in being able use to place multiple rounds on target rapidly even under stressful conditions, whether for that quick trip to the mailbox, convenience store or while walking Spot or Rover down the road.

Not quite. It's more like... Well even if I'm unarmed at least I've still got the seven XTP's in the LCP in my right hip pocket (and the seven in the extended mag in my left front pocket). That LCP is there from the time my pants go on until the time they come off unless prohibited by law (and I try avoid those places as much as possible).

 

[Kleanbore]

In many cases people are going to carry an LCP are they are not going to carry....

Or something comparable.

despite the hyperbole to the contrary I don't believe your better off unarmed than with a single stack micro .380.

That goes without saying.

I would not consider myself to be adequately armed with a .380

I would prefer something more potent.

However, if I were constrained to carrying something very small and light, I would choose a .380 ver a 9X19.

 

[C0untZer0]

Rohrbaugh R9

 

[Kleanbore]

Rohrbaugh R9

I sure wouldn't like to practice with it.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

In many cases people are going to carry an LCP are they are not going to carry

That's not my problem

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I would prefer something more potent.

However, if I were constrained to carrying something very small and light, I would choose a .380 ver a 9X19.

If I can conceal an LCP I can conceal an LC9

 

[94045]

If I can conceal an LCP I can conceal an LC9

Sticks out if the top of my hip pocket.

If I'm carrying a belt gun it's not going to be an LCP or LC9 and it's in addition to the LCP not instead of.

 

[94045]

FWIW Trunk Monkey lives in Colorado. Trunk Monkey has encountered mountain lions in his backyard. So, there is a non zero chance that Trunk Monkey really could run into a bear while going to check his mail.

Having said that I would think that anything that you would deem adequate for a potential bear run in would work on a tweaker.

I live in the Deep South and considering I have bear photos from my trail cameras and one was hit by a car just a few miles from my house last year I have a non-zero chance. However I do believe Trunk Monkey is the most likely to have to call the Game Warden to come get one out of his tree.

 

[murf]

Not quite. It's more like... Well even if I'm unarmed at least I've still got the seven XTP's in the LCP in my right hip pocket (and the seven in the extended mag in my left front pocket). That LCP is there from the time my pants go on until the time they come off unless prohibited by law (and I try avoid those places as much as possible).

two lcp II mags fit quite nicely in the watch pocket of my jeans. the whole package (loaded gun, holster, two loaded mags) weighs 20 ounces.

when pants become prohibited by law, we are all in trouble.

luck,

murf

 

[jar]

two lcp II mags fit quite nicely in the watch pocket of my jeans. the whole package (loaded gun, holster, two loaded mags) weighs 20 ounces.

when pants become prohibited by law, we are all in trouble.

luck,

murf

In many of the US beach food places the signs say "Shoes and Shirts required" so it seems pants are already optional.

 

[aarondhgraham]

I keep the .25 ACP version of this pair on a shelf right where I hang my car keys,,,
Taurus 22-PLY and 25-PLY


It's my "walk three blocks to the mini-mart" pistol.

Aarond

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