times sure have changed! I took my uncles winchester 30-30 to school in 1969 for the wood finishing section of my woodworking class; the teacher helped me disassemble the the buttstock and foregrip and put the rest in the shop lock-up. I did a beautiful 15 coat hand rubbed finish on it. Bad thing was that my uncle never took it hunting again because he was afraid to scratch it!
Great "First Time" for youth - sad discussion at the end.
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MD_Willington
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I graduated in 1994, in physics class in 1993 I mentioned to our Scottish exchange teacher I had a dummy grenade as we got into talking about explosions and force etcetera... he asked me to bring the dummy grenade into class, I brought it in and no one at all made a big deal about it... The Principal and Vice Principal checked it out too, they thought it was cool...
Times change, social engineering works...
Times change, social engineering works...
Officers'Wife
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Hi Tokugawa
Risking your own future is one thing, but a school board- like all government agencies - are enternally vindictive. Win, lose or draw that PINS designation is still on your child's permanent record. You know, the one colleges look at when deciding if they want someone to enroll.
The better way is to become a canidate to be a member of the school board. That way it's your future you are fighting with and not that of your children.
Selena
Risking your own future is one thing, but a school board- like all government agencies - are enternally vindictive. Win, lose or draw that PINS designation is still on your child's permanent record. You know, the one colleges look at when deciding if they want someone to enroll.
The better way is to become a canidate to be a member of the school board. That way it's your future you are fighting with and not that of your children.
Selena
Notch
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My son is in his 5th year at a magnet montessori (sp?) school. Just had the most recent parent teacher conf. and was surprised (pleasantly) by the most recent book report they had done on the book, "The Rifle". They had the kids reports taped up in the halls and most of the reports had a kids rendition of a rifle drawn on the cover! Keep in mind that not only was this in Mn. but also in St. Paul of all places... There is some hope yet.....
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When I was in high school (Class of '01) I was in NJROTC, on the drill team. We drilled with de-mil'ed M1s. Not just demilitarized, mind you - that wasn't good enough for the school board. The actions were welded shut, and the barrels were filled with cement. Those were some heavy damned rifles.
When Columbine happened, the administration came up with a "code red" policy, which went something like this: If you're in a class room, close and lock the door (classroom doors opened outward, and only locked from the outside) and don't let anyone in. However, if you're in the hallway, you're supposed to get in the nearest classroom.
Does anyone see a problem with this?
Well, me and my friends did. So we decided to do something about it. I got some maps of the school (7 or 8 copies to be exact) from the desk in the office. Made up maps for each period, and me and some of my friends would be responsible for a different sector of the building depending on where we were at the time. Was it young and naive? Sure. Would we have been effective in stopping any sort of threat? Doubtful. But were we doing something? We were doing a damned sight more than the people "in charge", we knew that much.
The Vice Principal caught wind of it (someone saw me color-coding a map of the school, got concerned) and came to talk to me. "Where did you get maps of the school?" "Uh, Mr. Bull (his name, I swear, and it was appropriate), they're in a big stack right out there on the desk." This stopped him for a minute. "Well, why do you have these?" I was candid, showed him the different maps, and explained to him that I thought the "code red" plan they had instituted was useless, and my friends and I thought a pro-active approach was better. He looked at me and said "OK, I can understand that. Just don't let people see it, you don't want to scare them." And left it at that. Go figure.
I guess what I'm trying to say is what other people have said: A lot of it depends on the administration, and teachers. Remember: crap rolls downhill. Glad to see that you've introduced another young shooter.
When Columbine happened, the administration came up with a "code red" policy, which went something like this: If you're in a class room, close and lock the door (classroom doors opened outward, and only locked from the outside) and don't let anyone in. However, if you're in the hallway, you're supposed to get in the nearest classroom.
Does anyone see a problem with this?
Well, me and my friends did. So we decided to do something about it. I got some maps of the school (7 or 8 copies to be exact) from the desk in the office. Made up maps for each period, and me and some of my friends would be responsible for a different sector of the building depending on where we were at the time. Was it young and naive? Sure. Would we have been effective in stopping any sort of threat? Doubtful. But were we doing something? We were doing a damned sight more than the people "in charge", we knew that much.
The Vice Principal caught wind of it (someone saw me color-coding a map of the school, got concerned) and came to talk to me. "Where did you get maps of the school?" "Uh, Mr. Bull (his name, I swear, and it was appropriate), they're in a big stack right out there on the desk." This stopped him for a minute. "Well, why do you have these?" I was candid, showed him the different maps, and explained to him that I thought the "code red" plan they had instituted was useless, and my friends and I thought a pro-active approach was better. He looked at me and said "OK, I can understand that. Just don't let people see it, you don't want to scare them." And left it at that. Go figure.
I guess what I'm trying to say is what other people have said: A lot of it depends on the administration, and teachers. Remember: crap rolls downhill. Glad to see that you've introduced another young shooter.
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As previously mentioned, another (as if there weren't plenty!) reason to home school.
Just looked through a number of book catalogues for home schoolers recently. One title that caught my eye was "The Matchlock Gun".
Lots of other good role-model type books in there, too.
It doesn't HAVE to be this way.
Just looked through a number of book catalogues for home schoolers recently. One title that caught my eye was "The Matchlock Gun".
Lots of other good role-model type books in there, too.
It doesn't HAVE to be this way.
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It all depends on the school. In some places out there, I'm sure you could probably bring a field piece in to class without a problem. The catch is, it all depends on the school administration. If you've got a bad teacher, or an anal-retentive principal/VP/AP/dean, there's not much you can do about it, beyond bringing out the lawyers after the fact.
I remember the days when everyone brought a pocketknife to school and it was no big deal because we all had common sense, I guess. Heck, we shot skeet as part of a class. It was "Life Science". Something of a joke, but heck of a cool class (we went fishing, too). I think it was a class invented so an assistant football coach could do his required classroom time. This was 15 years ago now. Times change, I guess.
This reminded me of an excerpt from an article about Justice Scalia:
"I grew up at a time when people were not afraid of people with firearms," said Scalia, noting that as a youth in New York City he was part of a rifle team at the military school he attended.
"I used to travel on the subway from Queens to Manhattan with a rifle," he said. "Could you imagine doing that today in New York City?"
"I grew up at a time when people were not afraid of people with firearms," said Scalia, noting that as a youth in New York City he was part of a rifle team at the military school he attended.
"I used to travel on the subway from Queens to Manhattan with a rifle," he said. "Could you imagine doing that today in New York City?"
Mauserguy
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"...the one about how she could get expelled for talking about, writing about, or taking pictures of guns, shooting, or hunting at school."
Is this the school policy or just the mother's perception of the shool policy. I think that your friend should be sure about the policy before getting her daughter freaked out about this.
Things are certainly going the wrong way in our country, but that doesn't mean that that partilcular school has gone commy yet. She needs to check the policy before saying this stuff.
Mauserguy
Is this the school policy or just the mother's perception of the shool policy. I think that your friend should be sure about the policy before getting her daughter freaked out about this.
Things are certainly going the wrong way in our country, but that doesn't mean that that partilcular school has gone commy yet. She needs to check the policy before saying this stuff.
Mauserguy
Why speculate about how the school might be upset? Let her tell her hunting or target shooting stories at school, and show her school friends whatever she wants. If the school oversteps their bounds and tries to punish her for it, sue. No reason to teach the young girl to hide her legal and constitutionally protected hobbies 
paramedic70002
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Hey OP, seize the opportunity to educate that child about government control, freedom, indoctrination,etc. Sometimes our schools teach things they don't even realize!
Pilgrim
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My 23 year old granddaughter, when she was learning to shoot, took her targets to high school for 'show and tell'. No one gave her any trouble about it.
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I appreciate the posts about "knowing" exactly what the school policy says. The answer is that I do NOT know the actual wording of the policy. She is in the Arlington ISD and the particulars of the discussion were her mother's view on school policy. I feel that my GF may have been overly cautious, but that was her call. I do know she is not in the position of letting her daughter be a test case for the schools policy.
When I was a freshman my World History teacher came into class with a WWI rifle (don't know what kind- had a drum mag on top like a Lewis) and said, "The results of the last exam call for drastic measures!" He was a great teacher. Even the guys who weren't strong students in other courses really put out the effort for him.
I am thankful every day that we homeschool our children.
I actually take them shooting as a phys ed class. I am presently teaching my 13 year old about honor, and one can use firearms education as a good basis for that.
I am also able to teach them about what the constitution really says, and what the bill of rights really says, and how many will try to take away these rights.
We certainly have gotten off on quite a tangent with the government schools.
I actually take them shooting as a phys ed class. I am presently teaching my 13 year old about honor, and one can use firearms education as a good basis for that.
I am also able to teach them about what the constitution really says, and what the bill of rights really says, and how many will try to take away these rights.
We certainly have gotten off on quite a tangent with the government schools.
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I'm afraid it is pretty much the rule these days. I talked about hunting and guns with a friend and was considered a possible maniac with guns until the end of the school year. I went to a private school after that.
Dr. Peter Venkman
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I was constantly looking up gun stuff in middle school and high school here in CA with zero problems. Seems like a lot of sensationalism has permeated this board. I remember taking an "outdoor living" class in 7th Grade and the teacher showed us a couple of WWII Rifles, one I remember being an Arisaka. That was only seven years ago.
If you keep your activities in the closet they will always remain that way right up until others feel they are illegal because no one does it anyways. If you find yourself hiding something it's something you shouldn't be doing in the first place; be proud of who you are and what you do.
If you keep your activities in the closet they will always remain that way right up until others feel they are illegal because no one does it anyways. If you find yourself hiding something it's something you shouldn't be doing in the first place; be proud of who you are and what you do.
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Wow, how things have changed. Once when I was in high school in 1982 we had a once-per-year dress-up day, kind of like halloween. One 10th grader came as a WWII G.I., complete with fatigues, a real old jeep made up to look like a WWII army jeep, and a real M-1 carbine. He pushed the envelope by showing the rest of us kids that he even had real ammo in the magazine. That was a bit over the top, but wow, I'm imagining the SWAT team, armored cars, helicoptors and K9 units that would respond to something like that now.
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