Semmerling
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The greates battle rifle ever? The one that gets you safely home....just ask any soldier at any time in the history of firearms.
Originally posted by Chuck Spears
Let's not forget that the Garands have the tactical advantage of letting your opponent know the exact moment your clip is empty and you will be temporarily unarmed while reloading. Ping. Best ever.
Nope, Garand was 1936:The Garand was 1932. The USMC did have 1903's, which is why I said US Army.
It's all about perspective. Titanic made more movie than any other movie in history. That is true. But when adjusted for inflation, Gone with the Wind is still tops. My point? It's relative to the time. There is little doubt that there are better rifles these days than the Garand. But greatest that does not make. Comparison should be made with what was contemporary to what ever it was.
Ash
Modern Firearms and Ammunition said:He filed a patent for his semiautomatic, gas operated, clip-fed rifle in 1930, and received an US patent for his design late in 1932. This rifle was built around then-experimental .276 caliber (7mm) cartridge. At the same time, his rifle was tested by the US Military against its main competitor, a .276 caliber Pedersen rifle, and was eventually recommended for adoption by US Army early in the 1932. But a little bit later an US general MacArthur stated that the US Military should stick to the old .30-06 cartridge. Foreseeing that, Garand already had a variation of his design chambered for 30-06. Finally, at the 6th January, 1936, the Garands' rifle was adopted by the US Army as an "rifle, .30 caliber, M1".
The two were within 2 years of each other.Modern Firearms and Ammunition said:The SVT-38 (Samozaryadnaya Vintovka Tokareva - Tokarev Self-loading rifle) was originally adopted in the 1938 after more than 20 years of the research and development, done by famous Russian arms designer Fedor Tokarev.
I don't recall ever hearing a whole squad or fire team "pinging" at exactly the same time.and you will be temporarily unarmed while reloading. Ping.
Let's not forget that the Garands have the tactical advantage of letting your opponent know the exact moment your clip is empty and you will be temporarily unarmed while reloading. Ping. Best ever.
Does that somehow bring back the lives lost from that design flaw?
Does that somehow bring back the lives lost from that design flaw?
Claiming that lives were lost as a result is quite a stretch of logic from 'noting it'. Hyperbole is fine for presidential politics, but not convincing in rational debate.The *ping* was noted by the military and actions were taken to stop or at least minimize it.
It discusses how officials at the Aberdeen Proving Ground took the issue seriously enough to develop ways to stop or minimize the sound. Do you honestly think they would waste the effort (during wartime no less) to investigate an unsubstantiated claim?
Not every little aspect of war is going to have official documentation.
I'm assuming that if you guys had the ability to design your dream combat rifle that you'd make sure it broadcasted when the clip is empty. Especially with today's CQB. Awesome characteristic
TexasRifleman said:Nowhere, ever, has there been any credible evidence in any of that; GI diaries, combat reports, nothing, to show that what you describe actually happened.
You heard from someone else that there isn't documentation. So prove it.
It's a widely told story, whether you believe it or not, and the military took steps to address it.
Still doesn't change the fact that nobody in their right mind would march into battle right now with a Garand if given the option to choose their battle rifle.