Green corrision on the inside of loaded ammo.

[CoalCrackerAl]

I got my ammo project done. It was only them few.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

The inside of the casing had the mold looking stuff. Next one i come across i'll take a pic before i get it ready for the scrap. I had my wife smell the universal that i pulled. Then some from the powder bottle. She said the powder i pulled smelled foul. I can't smell well myself. Did some image search. They grey stuff looks like the second casing from the left. The green looks like the rifle rounds in the other pic. But it was at the case mouth. And some was on my copper coated bullets.
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Verdigris, a.k.a. copper(II) acetate. Indicates the presence of a weak acid. The weak acid (low molar acetic or nitric) breaks down the copper and leaves verdigris behind. The grey fluffy stuff is zinc being liberated from the brass. Bad powder. Not good. Build a campfire and toss it in.

 

[brickeyee]

Green is usually copper corrosion.

Bullet jackets (AKA 'gilding metal') are NOT the exact same materiel as brass cases.
There is significantly more copper in the bullet jackets.
The slightest moisture (or other corrosive material) will create a primitive battery with
tiny amounts of current flowing between the different alloys.

The acids used to make nitrocellulose (nitric and sulfuric) are never completely removed.
The tiny amounts remaining are one of the things that determines the lifetime of the nitrocellulose.
Wartime production often is left 'dirtier' than ammunition intended for long term storage.
Why waste expensive solvents when the stuff is very likely to be consumed within a shorter period.

Long term storage of nitrocellulose powder is done under water.
Radford Army Ammunition Plant was a primary nitrocellulose facility built in the 1940s to support the war effort.

Way back in the early 1980s you could still see the outlines of the wooden buildings used for long term storage of nitrocellulose.
Each was a lightly built 'log cabin' style of constriction with a basement 'swimming pool' to hold water.
The partially completed powder was placed in the basement room, and then submerged in water.
It was dangerous work..
Occasional explosions occurred all the way into the early 1988s from reprocessing.
The old stuff was around 25% nitrocellulose.
It was reprocessed to far higher level (closer to the mid 90%) to make solid rocket motors.
Ejection seats used those rocket motors.
As an EE I had a few contract jobs to try and measure, and minimize, the explosion hazard.
A 'cake' of 90+% nitrocellulose was about 16 inches in diameter and 8 inches thick.
I do not remember the exact weight, but it was pushing near 100 pounds.
We developed some measurement techniques that allowed for easier monitoring of the purity and relative danger.

There was not a lot left of the truck or driver when one went off accidentally during transport from one part of the factory to another.
You could hear the occasional boom in Blacksburg at Virginia Tech, a couple mountain ridges away.
Is sounded like remote thunder.
My pager would go off a few minutes later.
Time to go and figure out what the H happened.

 

[Mk-211]

As has been said already, the powder is bad. If you have enough, use it in your garden as a fertilizer.

If you open a can of old powder and it's stinks really bad or has some strange fumes coming out of it, time to use it as fertilizer also.

The white powder could be coming from the lead corroding also. If you're using lead bullets, that could be why you're seeing it. Something else to check on.

 

[Slamfire]

Green is usually copper corrosion.

Bullet jackets (AKA 'gilding metal') are NOT the exact same materiel as brass cases.
There is significantly more copper in the bullet jackets.
The slightest moisture (or other corrosive material) will create a primitive battery with
tiny amounts of current flowing between the different alloys.

The acids used to make nitrocellulose (nitric and sulfuric) are never completely removed.
The tiny amounts remaining are one of the things that determines the lifetime of the nitrocellulose.
Wartime production often is left 'dirtier' than ammunition intended for long term storage.
Why waste expensive solvents when the stuff is very likely to be consumed within a shorter period.

Long term storage of nitrocellulose powder is done under water.
Radford Army Ammunition Plant was a primary nitrocellulose facility built in the 1940s to support the war effort.

Way back in the early 1980s you could still see the outlines of the wooden buildings used for long term storage of nitrocellulose.
Each was a lightly built 'log cabin' style of constriction with a basement 'swimming pool' to hold water.
The partially completed powder was placed in the basement room, and then submerged in water.
It was dangerous work..
Occasional explosions occurred all the way into the early 1988s from reprocessing.
The old stuff was around 25% nitrocellulose.
It was reprocessed to far higher level (closer to the mid 90%) to make solid rocket motors.
Ejection seats used those rocket motors.
As an EE I had a few contract jobs to try and measure, and minimize, the explosion hazard.
A 'cake' of 90+% nitrocellulose was about 16 inches in diameter and 8 inches thick.
I do not remember the exact weight, but it was pushing near 100 pounds.
We developed some measurement techniques that allowed for easier monitoring of the purity and relative danger.

There was not a lot left of the truck or driver when one went off accidentally during transport from one part of the factory to another.
You could hear the occasional boom in Blacksburg at Virginia Tech, a couple mountain ridges away.
Is sounded like remote thunder.
My pager would go off a few minutes later.
Time to go and figure out what the H happened.

Very interesting. Let me say, because reloaders are so used to the gunpowders they have, and that stuff is surprisingly safe, (but not perfectly), and the constant propaganda campaign in the in print press, the shooting community gets to believe gunpowder is as safe as tomato ketchup. It is not, particularly when it gets to the end of its life. And, the shooting community is largely ignorant of the tonnage of old munitions de milled in the US.







Clark Guns is outside Camp Minden Louisana. Munitions are demilled at Camp Minden, but they have been having real problems demilling as the supply exceeds their demilling capacity. The lady at Clark I was talking regularly heard kabooms from the Military facility.

And, around 2012 there was a particular scandal with this de milling facility


New Information: Bunker blast at Camp Minden

By USAHM-News on October 19, 2012
https://usahitman.com/nibbacm/

6 arrested in Camp Minden explosives investigation

http://www.fox8live.com/story/22637088/la-company-managers-indicted-in-explosives-case

Execs accused of improperly storing explosives at Camp Minden due in court

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/04/camp_minden_explosives_court.html

Camp Minden: From blast to possible burn
http://www.ktbs.com/story/28065933/camp-minden-from-blast-to-possible-burn


New Information: Bunker blast at Camp Minden

By USAHM-News on October 19, 2012

https://usahitman.com/nibbacm/


The following is statement from the Louisiana National Guard concerning the explosion at Camp Minden earlier this week. On Monday night the Camp Minden post security heard a loud sound which could have been a possible explosion. Subsequently, the post security physically surveyed the camp in accordance with established protocols and conferred with contractor tenants who stated that they were not able to confirm the origination of the sound.


Upon daylight on Tuesday morning, a Camp Minden tenant organization, Explo Inc., discovered that one of their storage areas had exploded and reported the incident to the Louisiana National Guard. Following this report, the Louisiana National Guard notified local authorities and the Louisiana State Police of the explosion in accordance with standard protocol.

The substance that exploded was a smokeless powder and does not pose a threat outside of Camp Minden. Explo is currently conducting clean-up operations of the site. The incident is under investigation by the LSP. The incident area is a restricted area and will remain off limits to anyone other than authorized individuals due to normal operational security and safety requirements. For questions concerning the investigation, please direct those to the Louisiana State Police.

6 arrested in Camp Minden explosives investigation

http://www.fox8live.com/story/22637088/la-company-managers-indicted-in-explosives-case

This photo, released Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2012 by the Louisiana State Police, shows piles of explosive powder stored at the Camp Minden industrial site that officials say were improperly housed by a company. (LSP/AP Photo)

Authorities said the M6 should have been stored in certified magazines, sometimes called bunkers, but some of it was found in boxes stacked in buildings, packed into long corridors that connect the buildings or "hidden" among trees outside. Some of the containers were spilling open, authorities said.


Authorities feared any ignition, such as lightning or a brush fire, could set off a massive chain reaction that would race through the corridors and blow up multiple buildings, threatening Doyline. Its 800 residents were put under a voluntary evacuation order for several days in December.


More 10 million pounds of the material was eventually stored properly and Explo relinquished its keys to the magazines at the installation. Also, state police said, about 100,000 pounds of flammable solid material and 130,000 pounds of Tritonal were moved to proper storage locations.

Execs accused of improperly storing explosives at Camp Minden due in court

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/04/camp_minden_explosives_court.html

MINDEN -- A court hearing has been scheduled June 1 for the owners of a company accused of leaving more than 7,500 tons of improperly stored artillery propellant at a site leased from Camp Minden. A third Explo Systems Inc. executive is scheduled in court in August.


Explo Systems, which leased space from the National Guard's industrial site at Camp Minden, abandoned the chemicals after going bankrupt in 2013. Louisiana State Police had found them in an investigation after an explosion in October 2012 in one of Explo's leased bunkers rattled homes, shattered windows 4 miles away in Minden and created a 7,000-foot mushroom cloud.

Propellant has been properly stored in nearly 100 magazines, or bunkers, but the stability of the material remains unknown. Studies conducted by the U.S. Army and the Environmental Protection Agency report the instability of M6 becomes more dangerous every day it sits.

Camp Minden: From blast to possible burn

http://www.ktbs.com/story/28065933/camp-minden-from-blast-to-possible-burn

Late October 16, 2012, an explosion rattled homes and nerves all over north Louisiana. "I could see this white cloud rising up and red balls of fire just kind of floating up," said Cecil Hatchett the day after. It was a bunker at Camp Minden. A month long investigation found what authorities then said was more than a million pounds of improperly stored explosives.

The public was told it needed to evacuate so the explosives could be stored properly. Moving all of the material took longer than expected and the amount of improperly stored explosive material grew to 6 million pounds. The amount of M-6 grew to 10 million pounds, and state lawmakers wanted answers from Explo systems executives. But they were no shows to a state legislature meeting in February 2013.

People in the area did not like the idea of an open burn, but officials were saying that was the only option. It wasn't until a December 2014 meeting here at the Minden Civic Center that anyone knew any different. That's when Dr. Brian Salvatore stood up and gave facts as to why the open burn is dangerous.“I asked, 'Did you monitor to see how much uncombusted DNT is going?' 'Oh no we couldn't.' I said, 'Why?' 'Oh it was too hot over there. We couldn't get close enough,'” Salvatore recounted of the meeting on January 2, 2015. DNT, or dinitrotoluene, is just one of four chemicals that make up M-6, But Salvatore says it's the worst one to be released into the air because it is a known carcinogen. The other chemicals can cause birth defects and issues for people with asthma. Salvatore's word woke people up and a grassroots effort began.

“We've formed a group called the ArkLaTex Clean Air Network, and we're calling for a safe disposal of these explosives,” said Frances Kelley with Louisiana Progress on January 6, 2015. “We're calling on our elected officials to take their leadership and ensure a safe disposal of these explosives.” Thousands of people have jumped on board, and the efforts so far seemed to work. The EPA placed a 90-day delay of action on the current contract process of an open tray burn, and agreed to look at other means of disposal.

An Explosive Crisis: EPA Pushes for Massive Munitions Burn at Louisiana's Camp Minden

https://truthout.org/articles/an-ex...ve-munitions-burn-at-louisiana-s-camp-minden/

Open Burns, Ill Winds

https://features.propublica.org/military-pollution/military-pollution-open-burns-radford-virginia/

Bombs in Our Backyard

https://projects.propublica.org/bombs/

https://www.propublica.org/series/bombs-in-our-backyard