Greg Moffatt G10 Weapons

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Does anybody have any first-hand experience with the G10 weapons from Greg Moffatt? Both the MG1 Solid and the NPE Shiv look interesting as carry options in a non-permissive environment. I was curious about the functionality of the MG1 - does it have an edge? And if so, does it hold it with normal carry (not for regular use, obviously).

https://www.gregmoffattknives.com/store/c1/Featured_Products.html

Any feedback is appreciated!
 
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"non-permissive environments" don't discriminate on the materials. Looks like a knife, they treat it as a knife. Better to carry something you could explain away.
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It depends on the environment. If it’s a pat down, then yes - these don’t help (although there are some small enough to avoid detection). If it’s limited to metal detectors, then a G10-based weapon definitely gives you more options.
 
We lean toward hide in plain sight, but ceramic blades in non metal kydex is readily available and the edges are much sharper than G-10.

OTOH, nothing escapes backscatter.
 
I have Mad Dog government contract over run ceramic blades and Cray a d back scatter used on airlines pretty much ended their usefullness. Kevin also made his proprietary G 10 model and used chisel grind as he found that grind worked better on plastic blades. His will cut you and stick you deep a d not break.
 
Those things are ok if you can guarantee you never get caught.

If you get caught with a regular knife, you can always claim you just forgot you were carrying it. You might even get away with that when carrying a ceramic-bladed knife.

It's really hard to play innocent if you get caught in a prohibited area with something that's obviously designed to defeat metal detectors and that has little or no everyday utility.
We lean toward hide in plain sight...
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Yup.
 
I used to tell my young officers to make a point of scanning a current Soldier of Fortune magazine years ago every now and then (back when they had lots of interesting ads..). The idea was to have some idea of just what any enterprising young man might be carrying... Fast forward all these years later and I can't name the publications - but the info is still out there if you choose to look for it...

Permissive or "non-permissive" environment.... if you're found carrying this sort of gear you pretty much give up any claim to being "just an ordinary guy" in the eyes of anyone in any kind of law enforcement.... that presumption of innocence on the street is worth a lot in my opinion... That's also why, no matter how eye catching they are - I've always chosen not to carry any auto blades at all...

Hide in plain sight is a very good idea - particularly if you're ever forced to defend yourself with a blade of any kind....
 
lemaymiami said:
I used to tell my young officers to make a point of scanning a current Soldier of Fortune magazine years ago every now and then (back when they had lots of interesting ads..). The idea was to have some idea of just what any enterprising young man might be carrying... Fast forward all these years later and I can't name the publications - but the info is still out there if you choose to look for it...
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FBI used to send me a magazine once a month that always had a little section on new or improvised weapons they'd come across. Most interesting and useful part of the whole magazine. lol
 
Some of us life long peaceable,harmless,honorable,honest,and patriotic citizen just want liberty at any cost. I doubt you stupid rule, enforcement folks ever found any sophisticated non metal knives outside of a prison. I'll bet you found lots of machetes, shivs,kitchen, hunting and butcher knives on bad guys. I am entitled to my opinion, all my retired BATFE friends are very apologetic for putting citizens in prison for 1/2" too short barrels. There are too many evil people out there to be wasting your time harassing with anal, politically driven regulations outside of prisons. My point of view, my first amendment right.
 
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Could you maybe re-state your point? Are you saying citizens should have the "right" to bring weapons into cleared areas, like when visiting folks in jail, or in a courthouse? Are you saying employers are not within their rights to dictate the items allowed on their property? I just want to be sure I'm clear on what you mean.
 
lemaymiami said:
. . . if you're found carrying this sort of gear you pretty much give up any claim to being "just an ordinary guy". . . that presumption of innocence on the street is worth a lot in my opinion... That's also why, no matter how eye catching they are - I've always chosen not to carry any auto blades at all...
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Nailed it. I want to be unworthy of noticing or remembering.

I'd prefer a greasy screwdriver to a "hey that's a non-metallic knife" knife.
 
JShirley said:
Could you maybe re-state your point? Are you saying citizens should have the "right" to bring weapons into cleared areas, like when visiting folks in jail, or in a courthouse? Are you saying employers are not within their rights to dictate the items allowed on their property? I just want to be sure I'm clear on what you mean.
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NO citizens do not have the right to bring any weapons into Govt. areas and I always have and allways will honor that. BUT being arrested for non mettalic knives is a violation of my rights as far as I am concerned. I have been self employed most of my life and when I wasn't (Other than college professor stints) have always chosen not to be employed with such restrictions. I did think it assinine the restrictions that were on troops in the services, being we were trained to kill !. Luckily most of my reserve career I was plain clothes with a pistol and knife and in VN had the infamous MACHV card to allow me liberty ..
 
Okay. I understood the OP was inquiring about carrying a weapon in an area where he wasn't allowed to have it, a "non permissive environment".
 
California is a "non permissive area" as is Mexico, New Jersey New York, Canada , England and North Korea for having a non metallic edged weapon. I have proudly and discretely carried one in all those places. :)
 
Unless they have metal detectors at the borders of those "non permissive areas" I think that you are talking about something very different from the OP.
 
A little "street justice" here. Can't remember the number of young (and a few not so young) fools I encountered on the street either carrying concealed something large and sharp - or having it concealed in their vehicle within their ready reach - also not exactly legal... If the citizen (also known as the young fool) wasn't involved in any kind of assault or other serious offense - my usual response - was "put it in the trunk where it won't land you in jail" or if a switchblade... I'd hand it back to them in more than one piece (most autos in my era were cheap junk at best....). All of this was long before the armed citizen movement...

My response on the street was specifically tailored to my own experiences - when I was just another young fool myself... The slightest indication that I was dealing with someone who intended to actually use what they were carrying - and things usually turned out differently, but most of those types usually had other legal problems to go along with their lack of good judgment...

My real concern about unusual weapons that were designed to be overlooked or could pass through screening devices... was strictly officer safety. Finding out that someone in custody was actually armed with a weapon of some kind is a heart stopping moment (just another "ask me how I know" proposition...) so I did make a point of trying to educate the guys (and gals) I worked with on just what might be out on the street in someone's hand now and then. Years later, when I headed up my outfit's training side (among other tasks) you can bet that we frequently issued bulletins on things concerning weapons, ammo, etc...

Like most of my best memories - all of this was more than 25 years ago now and I was much younger then...
 
When I was a juvenile corrections officer working intake, I found prohibited items several times that the arresting officer overlooked.

I make a habit of carrying something with me that can be used defensively, as often as possible. It can be a sturdy small flashlight, it can be a lanyard with a heavy carabiner on one end, it can even be a sturdy belt, and a lock clipped onto my carryon.

It can even be a bottle full of water.

I can disable an attacker with any of these things, yet none of them results in the automatic distrust or even legal sanctions that being caught with a nonmetal blade would result in.

There is more than one kind of self defense. The head of the martial arts system I have most trained is said, "The real self defense starts in the American legal system." Yeah, yeah, judged by 12 vs carried by 6, but if I can carry something legal instead of something illegal, and the legal is at least as effective, it's just common sense to carry the legal.
 
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