Tinpig
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I don't belong to a club, but my range requires that you belong to the NRA, Mass. GOAL, and that you be a registered voter.
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Gun Clubs & NRA Membership
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Bill2e
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then don't join the gun club.
If you like your guns and shooting why won't you support the largest group out there fighting for your right the keep your guns?
If you like your guns and shooting why won't you support the largest group out there fighting for your right the keep your guns?
Bill2e
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I am not telling you how to run you family budget. Think of it this way. It is $25.00 a year to protect those gun rights for your childern and grand childern. That is 50 cents a week, much less than a cup of coffee, a pack of smokes, a beer, ect. there are also time when you could have joined for free. It is all about priorites. Then NRA cost less to join than a box or two of ammo & you get 12 magazines a year.
Some things to think about --
[1] The NRA is the most effective RKBA organization. They have the largest membership of any of them, and they do the best that they can with that membership base. Politics is strictly a numbers game. If the NRA had more members, it could be that much more effective. And those folks who complain about the NRA's so called failures need to tell us who did, or could have, actually accomplished more.
[2] Facts of political life -- politicians don't listen to individual voters and they don't listen to or care much about reason. They care about numbers. One hundred phone calls or letters in support of or against something are better than 10. Ten thousand would be a lot better yet. It doesn't matter what the caller or writer says is the reason to support or oppose the thing. All that matters is the number on each side of the question.
[3] An NRA with 4 million members gets attention. An NRA with 5 million will get more, and an NRA with 10 million members could get some real serious attention. As annoying as the NRA can be, it's in our interests to see it grow and prosper.
[4] Politicians aren't swayed by fine arguments, logical demonstrations or even facts. They are swayed by how many voters (and potential voters and contributors) line up on each side of the question. They are influenced by political and economic power.
[5] Given all that, the NRA does what it reasonably can do in the political climate in which it operates. It can not perform magic. Under the right circumstances, it can, and has, effectively moved affirmative pro-RKBA legislation (like the law protecting gun makers from frivolous law suits and the National Park carry legislation). And sometimes it can block legislation we don't like. But sometimes the political deck is so stacked against our interests, the best we can reasonably expect the NRA to be able to do is help make the best of a bad situation.
[6] It's fine to talk about "no compromise." But remember that he who insists on all or nothing gets nothing. If the votes aren't there they aren't there.
[7] The NRA is at the forefront of shooter education and safety training. Their program for certifying instructors in a variety of disciplines helps make competent training more readily available to the public. And their "Refuse to be a Victim" program is excellent.
[1] The NRA is the most effective RKBA organization. They have the largest membership of any of them, and they do the best that they can with that membership base. Politics is strictly a numbers game. If the NRA had more members, it could be that much more effective. And those folks who complain about the NRA's so called failures need to tell us who did, or could have, actually accomplished more.
[2] Facts of political life -- politicians don't listen to individual voters and they don't listen to or care much about reason. They care about numbers. One hundred phone calls or letters in support of or against something are better than 10. Ten thousand would be a lot better yet. It doesn't matter what the caller or writer says is the reason to support or oppose the thing. All that matters is the number on each side of the question.
[3] An NRA with 4 million members gets attention. An NRA with 5 million will get more, and an NRA with 10 million members could get some real serious attention. As annoying as the NRA can be, it's in our interests to see it grow and prosper.
[4] Politicians aren't swayed by fine arguments, logical demonstrations or even facts. They are swayed by how many voters (and potential voters and contributors) line up on each side of the question. They are influenced by political and economic power.
[5] Given all that, the NRA does what it reasonably can do in the political climate in which it operates. It can not perform magic. Under the right circumstances, it can, and has, effectively moved affirmative pro-RKBA legislation (like the law protecting gun makers from frivolous law suits and the National Park carry legislation). And sometimes it can block legislation we don't like. But sometimes the political deck is so stacked against our interests, the best we can reasonably expect the NRA to be able to do is help make the best of a bad situation.
[6] It's fine to talk about "no compromise." But remember that he who insists on all or nothing gets nothing. If the votes aren't there they aren't there.
[7] The NRA is at the forefront of shooter education and safety training. Their program for certifying instructors in a variety of disciplines helps make competent training more readily available to the public. And their "Refuse to be a Victim" program is excellent.
Cactus Jack Arizona
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PCGS wrote: "The NRA has supported, plea barganed for gun laws and actually helped write anti gun/2A legislation. However that is what they don't want it's members to know. For the sake of this thread I will not elaborate further because it will get locked in a heartbeat. But you are more than welcome to do your own research on the matter. But don't call the NRA if you want an unbiased opinion.
Sorry guys but I cannot support an organization that supports gun control, and no my morals aren't for sale."
PCGS has it right.
This is why I won't join the NRA.
Sorry guys but I cannot support an organization that supports gun control, and no my morals aren't for sale."
PCGS has it right.
This is why I won't join the NRA.JohnBT
Member
" I have recommended to my family members and friends that they not join the NRA for various reasons."
I hope they ignored you.
John
I hope they ignored you.
John
berettaprofessor
Member
Sorry, I've heard and understand both sides to the arguments but I've gotta go with Fiddletown on this one. I'm pretty close to "no compromise" these days, but I live in the real world, not "BerettaProfessorperfectworld".
I did notice, 2075 Rami, that you haven't said what organizations you will support (I believe you in fact said you don't support ANY organizations) nor did you say what things YOU do or contributions YOU make to help support 2A. Are there any? Or do you just bash the NRA and trust in the good will of politicians?
I did notice, 2075 Rami, that you haven't said what organizations you will support (I believe you in fact said you don't support ANY organizations) nor did you say what things YOU do or contributions YOU make to help support 2A. Are there any? Or do you just bash the NRA and trust in the good will of politicians?
GunsAmerica Fan
Member
For one thing, the NRA doesn't insure anybody. That is complete mis-information. The NRA has made a deal with an insurance company that pays them to sell gun clubs insurance. This is not to disparage the insurance of course. It is great, and a great convenience dealing with people who know all the issues with insuring a gun club.
I believe that belonging to the club is a privilege that other people work for, take care of and figure out how to pay for. If they want you to be an NRA member to support their right to exist in the future, it is their right. I am creating a "superuser" account on GA soon and I may require NRA membership as well. As much as we all would like to believe that the 2nd Amendment protects us, it doesn't. The sh*t politicians mold the constitution to their knee jerk feel good policies at will, and without the NRA we'd all be disarmed like every other free society has been before the dictator took complete control.
I believe that belonging to the club is a privilege that other people work for, take care of and figure out how to pay for. If they want you to be an NRA member to support their right to exist in the future, it is their right. I am creating a "superuser" account on GA soon and I may require NRA membership as well. As much as we all would like to believe that the 2nd Amendment protects us, it doesn't. The sh*t politicians mold the constitution to their knee jerk feel good policies at will, and without the NRA we'd all be disarmed like every other free society has been before the dictator took complete control.
jcwit
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Thats your choice. On just what do you come to this conclusion, lets see some facts, other wise its only your opinion. You're putting forth the opinion, you provide the facts, no need for us to waste our time searching for your supposed knowledge.
Justin
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This post is utterly preposterous. Obama campaigned on reinstating the ban on so-called "assault weapons". The platform for the national democratic party has the assault weapon ban as one of its primary goals, and the only thing that's kept the Democrats from instating new gun control regulations is a fear of retribution at the next election.
The issue of carry in national parks was practically settled before Obama came into office, it's fundamentally a non-issue all around that doesn't do a whole lot to advance the cause of firearms freedom the way, say, national reciprocity for concealed carry permits would.
Atroxus
Member
I didn't vote because I am not a member of a gun club currently. I did recently apply for membership at a gun club that requires NRA membership though, and don't see a problem with it.
searcher451
Member
My club asks the question and strongly recommends membership, but it does not require it. Most all of the members of the club/range are members of the NRA anyway.
Prion
Member
QUOTE] I have recommended to my family members and friends that they not join the NRA for various reasons.[/QUOTE]
Then I'll recommend that you sell your guns and take up knitting. We don't need free-loaders riding off our contributions and the NRAs hard work. No NRA, no guns.
Then I'll recommend that you sell your guns and take up knitting. We don't need free-loaders riding off our contributions and the NRAs hard work. No NRA, no guns.
JW2
Member
My club requires a membership in "a" gun rights organization. It doesn't necessarily have to be the NRA. I feel that this is an acceptable policy, especially since there is a choice of organizations for those who may not agree with the policies of a particular org.
Good. Let's keep it that way. I am not misinformed, however. Last year there was a discussion of an "assault weapons" ban, and the quote they played on the radio was Obama himself speaking and he said, "there's no interest in that subject, no political will for it, and we have no plans regarding the subject." I consider it case closed. As for the Democratic Party Platform, the published document makes a single reference to "reinstating" the ban in the 60 pages of text, and I never heard any politician mention it during campaigning so it's safe to say it's a dead issue.
Total electoral suicide and they get it. I'm more worried about anti-gun people in general who come from all walks of life, and so the NRA gets my support.
Smokey Joe
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It's all been said above...
I know a couple of these "all or nothing" types. Not being willing (able?) to compromise between reality and the ideal, they regularly cut off their own noses to spite their own faces. It's sad, but that's the way they are.
They deny themselves pleasure because they can't attain perfection in a given situation. Or because someone ELSE acted less than perfectly. (Hey, you can't control anyone's actions but your own!) So they stand on their ideals, and miss out on a lot of fun.
Thanks, I'll take the flawed fun, rather than the lonely, angry, wish for perfection or nothing.
I know a couple of these "all or nothing" types. Not being willing (able?) to compromise between reality and the ideal, they regularly cut off their own noses to spite their own faces. It's sad, but that's the way they are.
They deny themselves pleasure because they can't attain perfection in a given situation. Or because someone ELSE acted less than perfectly. (Hey, you can't control anyone's actions but your own!) So they stand on their ideals, and miss out on a lot of fun.
Thanks, I'll take the flawed fun, rather than the lonely, angry, wish for perfection or nothing.
GunsAmerica Fan
Member
Thank you for not closing the thread for being political Justin. What you said was the right answer and it needs to be said over and over.
Extremely Pro Gun
Member
Honestly, If you like guns you should probably be an NRA member unless you live in another country. Then it would be pointless.
JohnBT
Member
www.nrahq.org/clubs/aff-form.pdf
Here are the benefits of range affiliation and just one is a big one - $5,000.
"Range Grants - Open to 100% NRA membership clubs and limited to $5,000
per applicant per year by approval of the Range Development Committee"
My father used to pay $15 a year to join the NRA and skip getting the magazine. I think it was $15, maybe it was $12 years ago. He just read my magazines.
John
Here are the benefits of range affiliation and just one is a big one - $5,000.
"Range Grants - Open to 100% NRA membership clubs and limited to $5,000
per applicant per year by approval of the Range Development Committee"
My father used to pay $15 a year to join the NRA and skip getting the magazine. I think it was $15, maybe it was $12 years ago. He just read my magazines.
John
KAC1911
Member
Great stuff guys. If you own firearms we need you to support the NRA. They are not perfect but no organization is either. We would have lost more than we have already lost in the past 30 years if it wasn't for them and others fighting for us. Just like a vet thank him/her for the freedom you have. This is a constant battle with the anti-gun movement and with the UN trying to disarm all of us too. You non supporters will have no one to blame but yourselves when we loose our rights that many men have die honorably for.
My local range is a county run place.
They don't require NRA membership but they do have NRA safety courses, hunting courses, permit courses.......... So there are plenty of members around to promote NRA membership. All and all, bring in new people, get they hooked on shooting then bring on the membership pitch.
They don't require NRA membership but they do have NRA safety courses, hunting courses, permit courses.......... So there are plenty of members around to promote NRA membership. All and all, bring in new people, get they hooked on shooting then bring on the membership pitch.
USMC - Retired
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My local club requires NRA membership of all members. Just makes good sense. It's one of the best ways they can protect thier business/club, both with insurance for mishaps and insurance that the members/customers will always be able to participate.
Not trying to highjack your thread here but if you are not a NRA Member and wish to become one I have a thread for folks to get NRA memberships at a discounted rate in the "Goup Buys, Deals & Contests" section of THR.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=262682
Or you can just use the link in my signature line.
Not trying to highjack your thread here but if you are not a NRA Member and wish to become one I have a thread for folks to get NRA memberships at a discounted rate in the "Goup Buys, Deals & Contests" section of THR.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=262682
Or you can just use the link in my signature line.
Jaybird78
Member
Yes, my private club requires it. I recently had the opportunity to get a LIFE membership at the discounted rate. I jumped on it. Also I continue to send money by "rounding up" when I purchase items from MidwayUSA. Which buy the way is too often if you ask my wife.
The NRA is the 800 lb gorilla that I want fighting on my side.
The NRA is the 800 lb gorilla that I want fighting on my side.
Tinpig
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You can join the NRA for as little as $10:
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deadeyedog270
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I herd back from the place I was waiting on and they do not require you to be a NRA member but tike you to be, I will probly join the NRA when funds are not so tight witch will not be for a nother month (dang truck repairs) right now I just want to get some place to do some shooting at a indoor range so I do not have to stand in 18 deg F weather
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